Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Teal38(at)aol.com
Thanks for the input . One more small item, I am going to have a steerabletail wheel. Would it be best to have one cable that splits somewhere behindthe cockpit or two independent cables (on each side) directly to the rudderbars?Thanks AgainDick Navratil________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: del magsam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesDick, I used wire nut under the seat to connect two other cables to the rudder cables. Will need some additional pulleys to change the angle of the cables as they exit the bottom. Have not finished the the piet yet, so do not know if this is the best, but have heard of other flying with this setup.Scott.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:34:07 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesIn a message dated 5/12/00 7:20:31 PM Central Daylight Time, horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:>A tail wheel will also require the use of brakes. Brakes require additional weight, complexity, lower payload, and you'll never hear anyone say "Waddya mean, ya ain't got no brakes ??????Chuck________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Davis, Marc"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesChuck:So you use a tail skid instead?? Wondering minds want too kno!Steve> > In a message dated 5/12/00 7:20:31 PM Central Daylight Time, > horzpool(at)goldengate.net writes:> > a > steerable> tail wheel. Would it be best to have one cable that splits > somewhere behind> the cockpit or two independent cables (on each side) directly to > the rudder> bars?> Thanks Again> Dick Navratil> >>> > A tail wheel will also require the use of brakes. Brakes require > additional > weight, complexity, lower payload, and you'll never hear anyone say > "Waddya > mean, ya ain't got no brakes ??????> Chuck> > > > > Steve W - Pietenpol in construction!GN-1--<(next project).IHA #6________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesIn a message dated 5/13/00 11:24:14 AM Central Daylight Time, vistin(at)juno.com writes:>Steve, sorry to take so long to reply...I've been kinda busy, ya know. I haven't checked the Pietenpol mail for awhile. I don't understand when you ask if I use a tail skid 'instead'. The plans call for a tail skid. That's what has been used for 70 years. That's what I use.Chuck GantzerWichita KS________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "ED GRENTZER"
Shad, I believe there was an article in one of the back issues of BPNthat recommended dropping the rudder cables down, ie repositioning thehorn. Looking at mine in the garage, I think I would have the sameproblem had I not dropped the horn. Sorry to be a little vague aboutthis, but it has been almost 4 years since I passed that point. Stillworking on it!________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Duprey
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesGreat question. Hope you get lots of action (replies) on this one.Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:13:01 -0500

Original Posted By: Scot Copeland
Ok I'm in on this one. I haven't done my cables yet but I laid it all out with string and my rudder and upper elevator cables will just touch at the point where they exit the fabric. the plans show both cables exiting the fabric through one opening. Is it acceptable for the cables to touch and vibrate against each other?????? Stainless cable is pretty chafe resistant but maybe it's a no no for them to touch.I thought if need be I could put a small nylon or derilin fairlead at the opening just inside the fabric.I thought it was because I raised my bellcrank slightly but I'm glad to see the question come up. Any suggestions????? Ed Grentzer Palm Harbor Fl.>From: shad bell >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: Pietenpol Discussion >Subject: Pietenpol-List: control cables>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:46:29 -0800 (PST)>>>does anyone have any sugestions on routing of the>elevator and rudder cables? my father is building per>the plans on almost every thing and his rudder and>upper elevator cables rub on one another. his rudder>horn is mounted above the horiz. stab. would it be>better to mount the horn on the lower part of the>rudder?>sincerly>Shad Bell>>Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.>http://auctions.yahoo.com/>>___________ ... ______Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:39:34 -0800

Original Posted By: "ED GRENTZER"
I have seen a lot of Piets using a leather patch ( or other similar) toprevent chafe.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "walter evans"
A few have responded, but know one has answered the question about loweringthe rudder horn under the horizontal stabilizer to relieve the cablechaffing. has any one done this and to what results?________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Were just finishing up our rib jigs in preparation for building two AirCampers. The jigs will be cut on a CNC router out of a UHMW material. Weare located just outside of Burlington VT and are interested incommunicating with any other builders in the area. We are both six-foot twoinches tall and would love to try on someone's cockpit.Dan Donegan 802-482-5260 Nights802-652-3601Days________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: "javier cruz"
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Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Hi everyone I have a question on control cable type and diameter. The plans call for 3/32" cable for the airlerons and if I'm remembering right ( don't have my plans with me ) they call for 1/8" cable for the rudder and elevators. Tony Bingelis says in one of his books that 1/8" is considered standard size for all control cables. I was planning to use S/S cable 1/8" for everything because of the salt air here in Hot Muggy Fl. Am I on the right track or is 1/8" too heavy?would I be better off to save weight by useing 3/32"??? If I could get an idea of what the flying Piets are useing that would be a big help. Thanks in advance. Ed G.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Steve E. here 1/8" SS everywhere.Steve-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesIn a message dated 6/20/01 10:24:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com writes:> Hi everyone I have a question on control cable type and diameter.> The plans call for 3/32" cable for the airlerons and if I'm remembering > right ( don't have my plans with me ) they call for 1/8" cable for the > rudder and elevators. Tony Bingelis says in one of his books that 1/8" is > considered standard size for all control cables. I was planning to use S/S > cable 1/8" for everything because of the salt air here in Hot Muggy Fl. Am > I > on the right track or is 1/8" too heavy?> would I be better off to save weight by useing 3/32"???> If I could get an idea of what the flying Piets are useing that would be > a big help. Thanks in advance.> > Ed G.> > > Ed,I always recommend staying as close the plans as one can stand. Stainless is good . I am on my fifth airplane and continue to be amazed at how well this plane is designed. Doug Bryant Wichita, Ks________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
I am at the "bolt it together and string the cables before covering" stage.When I remove the wings, how do I disassemble the aileron cables through thepulleys in the center section after I have installed the ends for fasteningto the control stick?Carol and RalphRaymond________________________________________________________________________________

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: control cablesIn a message dated 11/23/2006 9:34:41 AM Central Standard Time, ralphhsd(at)itctel.com writes:When I remove the wings, how do I disassemble the aileron cables through thepulleys in the center section after I have installed the ends for fasteningto the control stick?Ralph,Don't terminate the ends of the cables, till final assembly.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: control cablesDate: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:07:42 -0500

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Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Long Newguy IntroductionIn a message dated 11/23/2006 5:42:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com writes:http://www.edselmotors.comHi Tim, Like you I been watching and reading about the Piet since I first saw it on a TV special, cant remember which , but like you it grabbed me and I was captivated by it. Funny thing is that I look at the 172 but my interests alwaysgo back to the Piet.I finally bit the bullet and got a set of plans in May of this year and have been deeply involved in research, really enjoying visiting other builders and owners across the country, taking pics and asking questions. Although I have not begun my build as of yet I am doing the reading got Tony's books real informative and full of great build tips. Chucks DVD is also a good resource. The good news is that there is a bunch of support and help here.Best of luck in your build!JohnHey really loved the Edsel. Thanks________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Scott Schreiber"
Ralph wrote->When I remove the wings, how do I disassemble the aileron cables>through the pulleys in the center section after I have installed the ends>for fastening to the control stick?Not sure what you're asking, but I will tell you that the wings are presently removed from 41CC and it was very convenient that Corky provided access covers and cable links just at the wing roots to allow the aileron cables to be disconnected and the wings removed without pulling the cables through the pulleys. Harder to describe than to do, but I can take pictures if it would help and if we're talking about the same thing.To disconnect the wings, I cut the safety wires from the turnbuckles at the bellcranks down at the joystick in the cockpit, backed the tension off the aileron cables, removed the inspection covers on the undersides of the wings, disconnected the aileron cable connector links (like motorcycle chain links), and voila-! that, plus the pitot tube line, and the wings came right off. There are links connecting the two aileron cables plus the cable that connects the port and starboard ailerons across the top.FWIW, Corky cautioned me about not removing one wing at a time. He recommended that I lower both wingtips to the ground first, then remove one wing and the other. If you remove one wing at a time you may end up with the airplane tipping over onto one wingtip. Fortunately, we had lots of cardboard boxes full of stored stuff to stack up under the wings to support them while we worked.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ct ... 6,ptnrdata 0601&tcode=wlmtagline________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
> >> > >> >does anyone have any sugestions on routing of the> >elevator and rudder cables? my father is building> per> >the plans on almost every thing and his rudder and> >upper elevator cables rub on one another. his> rudder> >horn is mounted above the horiz. stab. would it be> >better to mount the horn on the lower part of the> >rudder?> >sincerly> >Shad Bell> >> >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great> prices.> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/> >> >> > >> through>> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> Matronics!>> > > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/_____________ ... __________

Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
> >> >> >does anyone have any sugestions on routing of the> >elevator and rudder cables? my father is building per> >the plans on almost every thing and his rudder and> >upper elevator cables rub on one another. his rudder> >horn is mounted above the horiz. stab. would it be> >better to mount the horn on the lower part of the> >rudder?> >sincerly> >Shad Bell> >> >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices.> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________