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Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
This info on wire wheels first appeared in Kitplanes, March of 1990 onpages 36 - 38. Grant MacLaren included it in the BPA newsletter back in June '94 with further updates in Jan '95."Each hub's basic componet is a piece of 2" O.D. 4130 steel tube, 6"long, with a wall thickness of .120". The disks to which the spokes areterminated at the hub are also made of 4130. They are 3.5" in diameter, .090" thick, with their centers cut out to fit snugly over the steel tube. Each wheel has forty spokes so twenty spoke holes are drilled in eachdisk. The diameter of these holes is determined by the size of spokes used on the wheels. The hub's spoke holes are equally spaced arounda circle 3" in diameter, concentric with the disk.With the tubes and disks finished to this stage, they are joined by heli-arc welding. The outer faces of the disks are located one-halfinch back from the ends of the 6" long tubes. It is very important thatthe disks be welded with their spoke holes alternately spaced. In otherwords, the disks do not have their spoke holes aligned. The center ofof a hole in one disk is half way between the center of two holes in the wheel's other disk.When the disks have been properly located and welded to the tubes,the hubs are chucked in a lathe, then carefully bored clean and roundto receive pressed-in bushings. The bushings are bronze, at least oneinch long, and made for a .001" to .002" interference fit in the tubes.A bushing is then pressed into each end of each tube. The insides ofthe installed and bored bushings should have about a .002" to .003"running fit on the axle."Next is to add brass grease fittings; "...they're readily available from any good Ford restorer's parts house. Snyder's Antique Auto Parts,12925 Woodworth Rd. Rt. 156, New Springfield, OH 44443, is oneof the best. Ask for their Model "T" Ford grease cup replica. Thesegrease fittings are joined to the hubs with 1/8" pipe threads."The next step is to obtain wheel rims, 21" for 3.25" to 4.10" tires are best. Use a 21x3 tire as it looks proportionally better and has no problem mounting on the rim.Use 9 gauge spokes and nipples. Since no spoke length was given,a good shop would custom make them using rolled threads. Do nothave the threads cut as they are weaker than rolled threads.Buchanan's Frame Shop, 629 East Garvey Ave, Monterey Park, Calif. 91754. (818-280-4003) can do the lacing and truing work as could any good motorcycle shop.If you go with the alloy rims, they are expensive. You could go with asteel rim for about half the cost. Weight will be about 15 lbs alloy rim,and about 19 lbs metal rim, that's with wire wheels, tubes, and tires complete.Hope this helps.RodgerPiet in progress ________________________________________________________________________________
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Pieters,With all of the interest in using wire spoked wheels on the planes being built,it should be remembered that the Henderson plans call for a straight spoke pattern.The straight spoke pattern should be used for those planes NOT having brakes incorporatedin the final design. A cross spoke pattern is better able to handlethe rotational stress of brakes.John Dilatush NX114DSalida, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pictures of Corvair PietIn a message dated 1/30/2006 8:34:59 AM Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:The oldest application of the Corvair aero conversion is in the Pietenpol airframe... 40 years, I believe.The oldest application of the Ford Model A Engine aero conversion is the Pietenpol airframe...77 years ago, I believe. The Grandpappy of Homebuilt Aviation !!Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:24:20 -0500
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Bryan,Some will say, "Yes"; some will say, "No." Mine are 21" Harley Sportsterwheels...very heavy duty (note: 'heavy', weighing about 21 lbs!). I inserteda solid 1" axle and use bearings designed for motorcycles, for which thewheels were modified (www.paughco.com). Gary from Cool-----Original Message-----
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I think what most use, and I am using, is the 19 inch motorcycle rim. With tiremounted it measures 24 inches diameter. I'm using the home made hub that is availablein the archives (no time to search right now) and it is wider than thenormal cycle hubs. Then have it laced at any decent motorcycle shop. Then ofcourse use pregnant bushings to roll em on.Jeff WilsonN899WT (someday)St. Louis, MOSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 18, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Gboothe5" wrote:> > Bryan,> > Some will say, "Yes"; some will say, "No." Mine are 21" Harley Sportster> wheels...very heavy duty (note: 'heavy', weighing about 21 lbs!). I inserted> a solid 1" axle and use bearings designed for motorcycles, for which the> wheels were modified (www.paughco.com). > > Gary from Cool> > -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
us>The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it pretty much stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled downa little and I'm now able to get back to building.- I've owned and flown a Cessna 170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to work on the PietenpolI'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good option for 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the posts and I'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wheels sound like something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them would be willing to share some information, it would really be appreciated.- (Or if anyone could offer a better option, I'm all ears).Information such as:Where you got themWhat kind of cost am I looking atWhat did you do for breaksWhat size axle did you use Are you glad you used themWhat tires did you useRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#368399le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________
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Group,This showed up on our local KSL.com classifieds under Aviation so Ithought I would pass it along. I do not have any affiliation withlisted engine or seller.http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheels
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Original Posted By: Jim Markle
The long and the short...I started a business 8 years ago and when I did, it prettymuch stopped the Piet project. The business has finally setteled downa little and I'm now able to get back to building. I've owned and flown a Cessna170 for years and now I think it's time to move up, so it's back to work onthe PietenpolI'm getting ready to build the straight axle gear and I'm looking for a good optionfor 21" wire wheels. I've spent a lot of time looking through the posts andI'm not crazy about making my own wheels. The 21" Harley spoke wheels soundlike something I'd be interested in and if anyone who has them would be willingto share some information, it would really be appreciated. (Or if anyone couldoffer a better option, I'm all ears).Information such as:Where you got themWhat kind of cost am I looking atWhat did you do for breaksWhat size axle did you use Are you glad you used themWhat tires did you useRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:17:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Where you got them - Paughco, Inc.; www.paughco.com; 21" Harley Sportster.Ask for "Troy" and tell him you want the same wheels that he supplied toGary Boothe for his airplane.What kind of cost am I looking at - I got a special price...so notsure...you can call.What did you do for breaks - go cartWhat size axle did you use - 1 1/2" stepped down to 1". Paughco puts 1"bearings in all their wheels.Are you glad you used them - OH YEAH!!! I am told that I need to pack stickto beat the ladies back...What tires did you use - Whatever Paughco installed.Dave - you can see most of what I have done on www.westcoastpiet.com. Let meknow if you want any answers...Gary from Cool-----Original Message-----
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Hey all,Due to overwhelming demand...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQXwjuo ... a_playerIf that link doesn't get you there, just search for "Douwe's C-90 firstrun-up in airframe", and that outta do it.Working away now on lots of persnickety stuff.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:51:49 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
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Yep. It's all mine. Actually though, I thought I hadput up the presently attached pic which showsthe "anti windup" bracket and arm.Next up, the heel pedal system.No wonder it's been 11 years and counting!!ClifLife is uncertain. Eat dessert first.> Clif the brake is impressive. Is it your own design? Does it warp there at > the cable to actuate? I have more questions than answers!> Jerry Dotson> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd> Baker, FL 32531________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I purchased the hubs from Ken Perkins and the 21" rims and stainless spokes from Buchanans. You will need to sell your first born to pay for them but dam they are sexy! Have a look at them on my site. www.scottyspietenpol.comScotty--------Tamworth, AustraliaBuilding a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camperwww.scottyspietenpol.comRudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvairengine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe

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Very cool, Douwe. Can't wait to see her fly!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Enid, OK fly-inFlyin at WDG, Enid, OK Saturday 24 March, 2012Barnstormers is serving breakfast!8-10am $7.00.50 cent discount on fuel.Hope y'all can come.Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com).What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900.What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers up tofoot pedals. What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think? Are you glad you used them: Yes. What tires did you use: Ones that fit.Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own tubes andtires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better than what he sentso it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not perfectly square.Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty darn well over 700 takeoffsand landings. They are also extremely durable.Look at www.westcoastpiet.com for ideas.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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I made my own hubs (well, I designed them and had a machine shop turn themfor me), then sent them to Buchanan's, had them choose 21" aluminum rims,make custom spokes and then lace them up for me. Bought Avon SpeedmasterTyres (they're English, hence the spelling) on the advice of Mike Cuy.Total cost was about $900.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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>> Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better...

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Wow, that's a 41% increase in weight.What is the species of wood and what are the exact dimensions of these pieces?--------Bill FrankRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:25:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Dave,Apologies for the delay...I needed to return home and happily wade through all those receipts! My relationship with Paugcho is..."special"...so I'm not surprised that they did not find a receipt. Now that I look at it, I see that my name is nowhere. I am sorry, though, to hear that Troy is no longer there. Sign of the times, I guess. The exact description is:"WHEEL, 21X2.15-NARROW FXD-XL 2000-UP" There is also on the left margin, a Part Number which is only partially legible: ??6-731There is also a line item that suggests that the retail price, as you see below, is $339.57, for both (in Dec.=9908).000_1185.jpgBest wishes in your quest for the =98perfect=99 set up!Gary-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "giacummo"
The topic is closed, everybody go home.Thanks to all, be frendly, Best regards.Mario, el de aya abajo, que anda casi solo en esto de fabricar avionsitos.--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is there ANYTHING better...
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Original Posted By: "giacummo"
I little sight here and I saw someone with the same problems like me... I havea lots of semi finished parts, vertical and horizontal tail pieces finished (orquasi finished) months ago, now in the covering process, finishing a wing (5month) a beginin with the second on, the center section, in the same stata as6 month ago, the fuselage.... ataching the iron plates, my father making andremaking some iron parts (landing gear is near the end, the engine mount waitingfor soldering, remaking the upper front fusselage iron plates of the enginesupport) , and so on.. a lot of things are there.. but not finished yet.. whata job!!!!!regardsmario--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Hello, Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the wheels,I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy those fieldsare rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick and thin wheels?...thank you,mario--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Mario,Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. Theyare heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want therims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee areconsiderably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers yourquestion...Gary from CoolNX308MB-----Original Message-----
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Mine are 3" wide and have seen some pretty rough fields, with no problems.I don't think you'd need them any wider.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Thank you very much, on less problem to think in.. ;o)speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.n wrote:> Mario, my rims are 21" across and 3" wide. There are a lot of factors that couldplay a role here, but my main concern, of course, is weight and to a lesserdegree, ascetics. As mentioned, the large wheels/tires and the wood straightaxle gear are very heavy. As much as it pained me to do it, I went with thisheavy set up because I prefer the look of this assembly. If you use the woodgear with wire wheels, I doubt you will notice any difference in feel betweenthe various rim diameters generally used for this set up.> > Thin rims will tend to dig into soft earth, the wide will have a larger surfacearea at contact and will tend to ride "on" the terrain. Wider rims may introducemore aero. drag in flight. Wider rims may weight more then the thin...> > Michael Perez> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com--------Mario Giacummohttp://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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