Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Nov 18, 2000 6:14 am

Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Does anyone have a good source for a good deal on turnbuckles?CarlPlease visit my website athttp://www.megsinet.net/skycarlSign up with Paypal,it's free and they willgive you $5.00 just for joining.https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=s ... gsinet.net ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 11:38 am

Original Posted By: "walter evans"
I'm about ready to start setting up the rigging for my rudder and elevators. At 1600 pounds Cap. the 16S (10-32 or 3/16" thread)t-buckles look plenty strong to me but they don't test as high as the cable. Is that the size most Piets are useing or are they going the the heavier 1/4" 22S T-buckles. Almost ordered some 16s this morning but thought it best to ask first. Thanks in advance. Ed G. P.S. I will be at Sun & Fun Lakeland Fl. on Mon April 9th and Tues April 10th. If there will be any Piet People there on those two days I would love to meet with them. Let me know, maybe we could set up a meeting time and place.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 3:42 pm

Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
My meager check will be in the mail tomorrow.walt-----------------------------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:03:54 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:13 pm

Original Posted By: Ed Grentzer [SMTP:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]
Try the wood working tent any day, it's Piet headquarters.Dick N.-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:40 pm

Original Posted By: del magsam
Thanks Dick--Dayum I was in and out of there several times last year when I first started on my Piet and didn't know that!!!!>From: Richard Navratil >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:13:12 -0600>>>>Try the wood working tent any day, it's Piet headquarters.>Dick N.>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed Grentzer [SMTP:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]>Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:38 AM>To: Pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles>>>>> I'm about ready to start setting up the rigging for my rudder and>elevators. At 1600 pounds Cap. the 16S (10-32 or 3/16" thread)>t-buckles look plenty strong to me but they don't test as high as the >cable.>Is that the size most Piets are useing or are they going the the heavier>1/4" 22S T-buckles. Almost ordered some 16s this morning but thought it >best>to ask first. Thanks in advance.>> Ed G.>> P.S. I will be at Sun & Fun Lakeland Fl. on Mon April 9th and Tues April>10th. If there will be any Piet People there on those two days I would love>to meet with them. 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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 9:07 pm

Original Posted By: del magsam

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Mar 27, 2001 1:35 pm

Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
Hi Corky There is a site with lots of info on Sun & fun at www.eaa.org look under " Short Cuts " on the right hand side and click on Sun & Fun. It's a great fly-in with just about everything that flies and lots of homebuilts and classics. Ed G.>From: "Barry Davis" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-fun>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:12:19 -0500>>>There are usually 3 to 5 piets there during the week. Also Bert Conoly is>running the wood builders tent with hands on fun, and yes it is all Air>Camper oriented. If you have not made the trek to Sun n Fun yet, your>missing out on a premiere event. About 600,000 people and over 10,000>airplanes, And Pietenpol T-Shirts being worn everywhere you look. I have >met>many more piet builders willing to chat than I have ever talked to in my>last 5 years at Brodhead.>Barry>Piet,Jr.Ace,1930 Epps Bi-plane>----- Original Message ----->From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:36 AM>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-fun>>> >> > Pieters,> > Someone give me a brief on this Sun n fun business. Are there any Piets> > usually and is there Piet activity. Not interested in the usual fly-in> > activities ie acrobatics, warbirds and spam cans. Just wooden stuff,>fabrics> > and weldings. Is there any sort of printed schedule of >activities????????> > Might crank up the T and drive over.> > Corky in rainy and muddy La> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:52:59 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Mar 27, 2001 6:48 pm

Original Posted By: "John W. White"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Mar 27, 2001 9:40 pm

Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesIn a message dated 03/26/2001 11:40:15 AM Central Standard Time, flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com writes:>Ed,Doc,Richard,Skip,Corky,Barry,Bert, et al.....I promised Bert Conoly that I'd put in some time at the woodworking tent to help out and would really like to meet all Piet builders. I'll Be there on Tues & Wed Apr 10,11. Be wearing my Piet shirt and hat. Stop by and say hi !! Don Hicks (Hartford, Al) starting to lay on final color.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Mar 27, 2001 9:59 pm

Original Posted By: "John W. White"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: gear bungeesIn a message dated 3/27/01 5:02:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, emchair(at)cros.net writes:> On my Piet, I am using the split axle gear with wire wheels. I've had cable> where the bungee cords go, but now I'm ready to put the bungees on. What > seems to be working as far as bungee length and size. I know the plans say > 6' of I think 5/8" bungee, but I thought I would check around and see what > someone else may have come up with. Also, what is a good way to form the > ends, and any secrets to getting the right amount of tightness to ensure > staight up and down wheels? Any help is greatly appreciated!> > Thanks, > Don Emch> > > Don,I have spoke wheels and split gear on my plane (improved aircamper). I use the plans bungee length and size and use one good quality hose clamp to terminate each end. It took me a while to come up with a method of getting the bungee tight. The airplane handles better if the bungess are tight. I also have the wooden plugs on the gear and and they are really good (someone made them for me). I will explain how I do this bungee process if you want to here it. Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:47:58 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu May 23, 2002 3:44 pm

Original Posted By: "Ted Brousseau"
Pieters, What size are the turnbuckles used in the control system, crossbraces, and wing drag wires. The plans call for 326SF but I couldn't findthat size listed in the Aircraft Spruce catalog. The closest I can find isthe AN 130 listed on page 135 of their latest catalog. I just want to makesure I'm ordering the correct ones before spending a small fortune. Hasanyone found a different (read less expensive) source for these? I'mfiguring I'll need at least 20 turnbuckles. I've also been checking eBay buthaven't found any yet. Sam Marinucci NX115SM (reserved number)________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri May 24, 2002 12:06 pm

Original Posted By: "Sam Marinucci"
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 26, 2002 3:39 am

Original Posted By: "LAWRENCE WILLIAMS"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesDennis: B&B had a tray of 8/32 (i think) size at Oskosh for $9.00.Thats about half new price. Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 3:33 pm

Original Posted By: "Brants"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesBarry, This isn't what you want to hear, but I scrounged all of myturnbuckles at Oshkosh for about 5 bucks each. B & B aircraft of GardnerKs. ( Kansas City ) usually has a bunch on hand for around $8.95 ea.913-884-5930. I don't know if that phone # is current. I know that theaddress that I have is no good since they moved. I have a set of thosePA-22 compression tail wires that I'm saving for a future project andthey are WAY too heavy for the Piet's tail. Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:38 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
B&B is good folks to work with. In addition to their great price onturnbuckles and AN hardware, they have really good prices on leather. Iwanted enough leather to make a couple of seat cushions and the leather trimaround the cockpit coaming. I talked with a regular leather shop and a fewsquare fet of leather was going to run me over $500. I bought an entirecowhide from B&B for $125 at OSH last year. Enough to make seats for a halfdozen Piets.Jack -----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:08 pm

Original Posted By: "David Peterson"
I would like to get some advice about turnbuckles. I've constructed a Piet Fusewith the spoked wheels, wood gear and straight through axle. It's time to installthe 1/8" cables that cris-cross from one side of the gear to the otherside. I need to put turnbuckles in these cables but don't know what kind to use.Some have loops at each end and some have pins. How large should they be?The turnbuckles in Wicks catalogue seem pretty expensive. It would be greatif there was another source. Also, I purchased 1/4" bungee chord to wrap aroundthe axle and gear. Now that it's arrived I think I should have ordered 1/8".Any opinions. Thanks - Dave________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:30 pm

Original Posted By: David Paulsen
DaveI don't think you would want 1/8" bungee. I went with 1/2". It was a real bearto stretch around but you definetly dont want spongy suspension. I am a bitconcerned that mine might be too stiff but aside from one bad landing so farit has felt the way I want it.On the turnbuckles, I dont know if there are any regional airshows coming up soonnear you, but there are vendors at most larger shows selling most of thatsort of thing. You will want a fork in one end and eye in the other end. Onesuggestion is to buy some cable clamps at the hardware store that temporarilyclamp the wire in place until you are real sure of the fit. It wil save lotsof re-making the part.The Wicks part # for the short assembly is AN140-32S on page 121Dick N.----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:50 am

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Pieters,Rather than spending a lot of time and effort looking for turnbuckle substitutes,or making them, why not just contact B and B Aircraft Supply in Gardner KS?He is a surplus dealer of AN hardware and often has turnbuckles in stock. I boughtall of mine there in one batch for about 5 bucks each. (I may have gottena quantity discount.) His phone # is (913 884-5930.Hope this will help,John________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesDate: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:12:23 -0800

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:25 am

Original Posted By: John Dilatush
I agree. B&B has some great buys on turnbuckles. They have a big tent at SNF.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:59 am

Original Posted By: "Galen Hutcheson"
Hi Galen....You might be interested to know that at Brodhead they havedrawings of The "Paragon" propeller that was the prop use on the Jenny. Ihave a 3/4 scale replica of that prop (72") which I believe was made fromthose drawings. The man that built it used mahogany and intended it for aModel A engine on a Piet, which is exactly what I intend to do with it.(it's a beautiful semi scimitar)...Carl Vought----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:22 am

Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:46 am

Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:52 am

Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 10:55 am

Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:29 pm

Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
I use a non-contacting infrared thermometer which I bought for less than$80.00. It includes a visible red LED so you can see where the measurementis being made. At the distance from the work that I use it, the measuredspot is about the size of a nickel. Because the temperature of the ironvaries greatly over the surface of the sole plate (due to the action of thebuilt-in thermostat), I don't power the iron directly off the 110v outlet.Instead, I power it with a "Variac" variable transformer and monitor thetemperature with the IR thermometer. It only takes a little practice tolearn where to set it for the desired temperature.....Carl Vought----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:36 pm

Original Posted By: "Steve Eldredge"
Howdy, fabric heads-One of the keys to proper installation of Poly-Fiber is temperature of the iron during the shrinking steps. Calibration of the iron is called for. My question: has anyone tried using an infrared heat gun rather than a "mercury thermometer" for iron calibration? They are very accurate and I see no reason why it wouldn't work as well as a thermometer. Simpler, too.I'm about to jump into the wonderful world of fabric covering...Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibrationDate: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:54:52 -0700

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:56 pm

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:02 pm

Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
the problem I see with that is that the infrared temp guns have a hard timeindicating the temp of a reflective metal surface like an iron base. Theytend to "see" whats reflected and the temp indication is a result of boththe iron and whats reflecting.I havent tried my infrared gun on my iron but sounds like an interestingexperiment.tell ya what I'll do. I'll fire up the iron and get an accurate tempreading using silicone compound and my mercury thermo then shoot the gun atit and see what the temp diff is.Will report back tomorrow with results.DJ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:14 pm

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 3:37 pm

Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Oscar,I just recovered N-1033B this past winter with Stits. Couple tips: thetemp of the iron ain't brain surgery, so don't get too excited, you'll knowby feel and sight when you've got it too hot or too cold, after you firstget the temp about right with a thermometer. You'll find the fabric is veryforgiving and yes it is an orgasmic experience to see the fabric come tautremoving the bags and wrinkles like experiencing fine wine, or a cold beer,if not orgasmic. Second- make darn sure you put on enough Poly-brush toseal the fabric. Follow the instructions regarding using a brush and sealthe fabric good. The Poly-Spray cannot make up for not having the fabriccompletely sealed by the Poly-Brush. Second- invest in a low pressure, highvolume top loading spray gun. They're only about $80 for one that holdsabout 1pt in the top gravity fed canister. HPLV guns run on about 15 psi,don't have to siphon the liquid up from the bottom like "screw on type"canisters. I've used and own both, will never go back to the old stylesyphon type. They clean up real easy and neatly, they put down a nice spraywithout much overspray. Put the polyspray on with this gun and you'll getanother orgasmic experience. The Poly-spray has the al particles already inthe formula but you gotta stir it up. I put on N-1033B a nice automotivepaint from Dupont, a two part polyurethane-acrylate. There is an additivecalled "Bulldog" that is a non-migrating plasticizer used by pro painterswhen they're painting plastic parts on autos like the bumper and someplastic side panels. Just a tad of Bulldog gives the paint the added flexneeded to go on fabrics over Stits. The HPLV spry gun made the job adream. Good luck.Gordon Bowen -Homer AlaskaCozy IV N64CYOsprey II N64SYPietenpol N-1033B" But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming anopinion", John Adams. The weakness of my character insists I give voice tothat opinion-GB----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:26 pm

Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibrationSpeaking of fabric?????????????Anyone know of a source of dacron, ceconite or any other name for the same stuff with a price of under $5.00 yd ? I pd $3.25 5/6/02 but it is now $ 8.00.I wonder if they price this according to the cost of mfg or what they can force the buyers to pay?Corky, poor boying it in Louisiana________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:31:22 -0800 (PST)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:54 pm

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Corky,I used on N-1003B the generic Dacron for homebuilts, Airspruce part no. 09-00300,works just like the expensive stuff. Catalog price is under $3.80/yd, 66"width.. Wouldn't use stuff from fabric retail stores even if cheaper due tothe lack of controlled shrink. Under $150 you've got all the fabric you'll need.Another $200 for tapes etc. With Stits process $500 Polybrush and Spray(I'll never use dope again) and about $300 in good auto paint, you're home freeat about $1500 including buying the brushes, a good organics air filter mask,small compressor and HVLP spray gun.Gordon Bowen -Homer AlaskaCozy IV N64CYOsprey II N64SYPietenpol N-1033B" But such is the constitution of my mind I cannot avoid forming an opinion", JohnAdams ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:13 pm

Original Posted By: "Norman Neff"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fabric iron calibrationThanks Gordon, It's 4.25 a yd now but I'm getting 41 yards next week.Corky________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:08 pm

Original Posted By: santiago morete
Hi Santiago,I stopped in the B&B booth at Sun-N-Fun and asked if they had a website. Unfortunatelythey only have the phone number 913-884-5930. I guess you could callthem and ask about shipping to Argentina. Good Luck!Ben ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:30 pm

Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
Fellows,Can anyone break down the individual part numbers for the AN 130-167 turnbuckle?Alan________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:10 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Alan,Check out http://www.cpc-world.com >AircraftSystems > Controls and Brakes. I did a complete list of all the items Ineeded for my control parts order. It may be of some help.CheersPeterWonthaggi, Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed May 25, 2005 8:11 am

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Peter,Thanks for that Tip 'O The Day.Alan Alan, Check out http://www.cpc-world.com >Aircraft Systems > Controls and Brakes. I did a complete list of all the items I needed for my control parts order. It may be of some help. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi, Australia http://www.cpc-world.com Fellows, Can anyone break down the individual part numbers for the AN 130-167 turnbuckle? Alan________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:44:32 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:12 am

Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
I am getting my Piet rigged up and want to use the larger 1/4" thread turnbucklesin the wing strut cross brace cables.I know it may be overkill but I am goingto use 1/8" cables and cannot see using the light ones there since it willbe a somewhat redundant wing load path with the aluminum struts.I have 3 shortand one long 1/4" barrel and 4 short left hand cable eyes for them. I would liketo buy 4 short 1?4" thread right hand forkends and maybe a short barrel ifI could find it.anybody got some they would sell me? I'd appreciate a e-mailoff-line or whatever.Raymond.Skellytown,TX.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1615#201615________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:57 pm

Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
Raymond;I was out at the hangar this afternoon to work on a few things and I put the caliperson the turnbuckles on 41CC. All the strut brace wires are 1/8" and theturnbuckle ends are 1/8". So are the ones on the cabane braces, the aileroncables, elevator cables, and most everything else on the airplane except the tailbrace wires, which are one size smaller (smaller cable for the braces).Being worried that all of those turnbuckles might be a danger to me, and despitethe 90 degree x-wind at San Geronimo this afternoon, I launched the airplaneoff the grass and flew it. The takeoff was exquisitely smooth and I came backaround, set up a circling approach with power on and dropped down to the grassat redline and full throttle. Nothing fell off the airplane.Went over to Medina Lake where a great many people were enjoying their boats, skis,jet-skis, and probably quite a few beers. Continued on to Medina River Ranch,a grass strip, and made a high-speed pass at redline (95 MPH on this airplane).Nothing came apart again. It was summertime bumpy, nothing to reallystress the airplane, but it was close to max performance for my airplane.Returned to my home field and passed over an aerial applicator who was laying downbug juice perpendicular to the prevailing breeze, which struck me as odd butI guess he had a job to do and couldn't wait for it to get calm. Landed onthe grass and taxied in, wiped off the oil from here and there, and put the airplaneaway with about 0.7 hours of perfect Piet Labor Day flying. This is whatPietenpoling is all about.I think 1/4" turnbuckles may be overkill but it's your airplane.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:43 pm

Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Mr. You sure have a sweet way of spinning a yarn.got to love that.Kinky Friedman aint got nuthing on ya!!:-)Michael in MaineWho got 2 hrs of Bonanza B36TC time in the clouds today, loads of bells andwhistles and dials lights undecipherable menus and flight directors andtechy stuff with coupled approaches and sharp barking controllers from theBoston class B upside-down wedding cake all at 18 gph. Thank god I did nothave to pay for it either. I did wear my Pientenpol hat though.----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:43 pm

Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:30 pm

Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Sounds perfectJohn------Original Message------

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:45 pm

Original Posted By: charles loomis

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:11 pm

Original Posted By: Davis Roger
I have only met Jim once and we only spent about 30-45minutes together over a beer. He paid for the round.We talked about Pietenpols and that was all thatmattered.I like to tell people that you can judge how sincerethey are about being your friend if you envision thescenario where you have a flat tire and are pulledoff the busy highway at night, in the rain, in slowtraffic. People are in their cars, they can clearlysee that it's you pulled over with a flat in the rain,and you can't see past their wipers or the rain ontheir windshields, so you don't know who is who ifthey duck their heads and keep pushing on towards home.I would pull over and give Jim a hand and I'll betmost of you would, too. What about his banker, orhis accountant, or his barber, neighbor, or evenpastor? I've seen it happen in real life. A highschool coach, pulled over with a flat at night, wasswamped by dozens of his former students (all ofthem now adults) as they recognized him in troubleand stopped to help. He didn't even have to get hishands dirty. I don't think Jim would have to, either.He's a Pietenpol kind of guy.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:30:34 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:51 am

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:57 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yep,All the kidding (how did this all get started?) has been fun, but Jim is oneof the guys on the list who has persevered for some time building hisPietenpol, making good, worthwhile posts to the list, and is building afirst class Pietenpol. I'm proud to call him my friend.Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:12 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
The small ones.they really don't have to have very much tension. In fact, atBrodhead, I saw both loose and tight and all seemed to work just fine.Here's mine:Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(14 ribs down.) _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:13 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Roger,I used the AN130-16S turnbuckle assemblies for the landing gear, the dragand anti-drag wires, and the control cables. I used the smaller AN130-8Sturnbuckles for the tail bracing wires.I have no idea what the manual says - for some reason I never got a maualwhen I bought my plans from Don Pietenpol back in 1995.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:18 am

Original Posted By: Davis Roger
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:47 am

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle- just for a minuteSad to say, I believe I may be or I am the culprit. Following either my long story about fitting into or trying on Jim's Piet or by the cookie comments I read. The more I think about it I must have been the one. Its a shameI didn't let it die its natural death but continued with a bad joke at the expense of a friend. I will try to avoid the unnecessary jokes even though its against my nature and it is certainly not intended to be at the expense of another. Alienating a friend is just not worth it!John________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesDate: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:51:03 -0400