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Pietenpol-List: Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2001 6:55 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Chris Tracy
Folks, I have got most of my joints very tight and have had no problemwith using the aerolite glue. I researched it pretty heavy, along withmany others and decided to use it as it had the best overallproperties. I know lots of people are using the T-88, but I declinedto do so after doing some oven tests. I definitely did not like thesoftening of the glue at the temperatures that can be expected in anenclosed wing. Recorcinol was the second choice. I also did some gaptests using the aerolite, and even with almost 1/16 inch gap, the woodstill broke rather than the glue joint. No, I am not recommending 1/16inch slop in joints. It was just that I heard that it had no gapfilling properties previously, and thought it would be worth a fewsticks, and some time. The method that I used was to ALWAYS put theglue on the stationary piece and the hardener on the piece in hand. Itworked for me, although it was hard to get aerolite into Canada. Iended up picking it up on the U.S. side of the border. It appears thatthe shippers were worried about the acid or an auto-polymerizationreaction.Would I use it again? definitely!Of all the things to sort out on building the Piet, the selection ofwhich glue to use was probably one of the toughest to resolve. I alsochecked with Transport Canada, at the time, and it was OK by them. Istill did the testing, as it wasn't going to be their butts hanginghigh.Good luck and good building.-=Ian=-Piet ready for precover inspection in the spring!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:54:11 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: Forward Fuselage support

Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2001 9:27 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Forward Fuselage supportIn a message dated 10/10/01 12:09:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catdesigns(at)juno.com writes:> I need to know how the forward fuselage metal is held in place and its> substructure. I don't know what you would call it, you know the curved> piece covering the instrument panels and front fuselage area, a front> turtle deck perhaps. All I can see in pictures are screws along the> sides but is it glued to the supports or is it just draped over them. I> need to make the supports and I have heard that some people make> laminated bows and some use ply. Any one have pictures, descriptions,> cryptic late night crayon drawings, any thing at all of how to do this> part of the fuselage . I'm having trouble visualizing what the plans> want me to do here. I see that there are supports running between the> rear instrument panel and the front head rest. Are people installing> these? I thought the Bengalis book told you not to put anything like> this in an area where your head could hit it in a crash or am I just> reading too much into things.> > HELP ME..(desperate plea for attention)> > Chris,What plans are you using? I recommend the improved air camper plans only. As soon as I am sure, I can pass along some information on how I interpret the plans here. Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________

Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 1:09 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: Chris Tracy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage support

Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 9:57 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Chris Tracy"
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Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 2:26 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: Gary Gower

Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage support

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2001 5:35 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "George Allen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Forward Fuselage supportIn a message dated 10/10/01 11:07:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, catdesigns(at)juno.com writes:> Doug, I'm am using the improved air camper plans. I have looked at Mike> Cuys video and all the pictures that I can find on the web and I still> can't figure it out. Am I the only one who cant figure this out? > Chris> Sacramento, CA> > Chris,I'm not sure I fully understand the queation, but I gather that The cowling supports and the cowling attachment to these supports was ths the subject. The plans show 1/8" plywood cowling supports. I attach mine with aluminum angle clips which have a nut plate. I found these at a local surplus store. A small hardwood block glued to the plywood support in those attach locations would also work, or a laminated bow type cowling support with the cowling screws thru the cowling and directly into the bow or block. BHP did it both ways (that is little blocks or bow). Stay as close to the general intent of the plans as you can. Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________