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Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Hello, folks;Unless I'm mistaken, the "51% rule" (which really doesn't say 51% anywhere in the body of the text) simply states that the majority of the aircraft must be amateur-built. That doesn't mean it has to be 51% built by the same person (lots of EAA chapters, groups, father-son, husband-wife, etc. build planes)... it just means 51%+ built by amateurs. Now, the repairman cert is a whole 'nother thing. It's very easy to read through the paperwork and regs and get an understanding of what the requirements are. For example (and this doesn't directly address the issue of your new buyer getting the repairman cert, but it helps)- from Jim Pratt's site at http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ambuilt/faqhmblt.htm9. What are the rules for used experimental aircraft? If I buy a used one that has been certified and has its N number can I still work on it as though I built it or do I have to have an A&P work on it from then on?A. The FAA regulates maintenance through FAR part 43. Far 43.1 states that the rules of that part do (b) "...not apply to any aircraft for which an experimental airworthiness certificate has been issued, unless a different kind of airworthiness certificate had been previously issued".In effect what this means is that any person may perform maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, overhauling or alternations to an experimental aircraft, unless that aircraft had previously held another type of airworthiness certificate, i.e. standard, utility, acrobatic, transport, etc. If it is an amateur built aircraft, then anyone can do the maintenance.However, all experimental operating limitations contain additional limiting factors. You will nearly always find a statement worded something like "This aircraft cannot be flown unless it has received, within the preceding 12 calendar months, a condition inspection conducted in accordance with the scope and detail of appendix A of part 43, and the inspection is recorded in the aircraft records." Further, the limitations usually also say "Only the builder, when certificated as the repairman, mechanics holding an A & P rating, and appropriately rated repair stations may conduct the condition inspection required by the operating limitations". If the aircraft is turbine powered, or surplus military, there may be additional limitations which mandate a licensed mechanic perform the work.The net effect, and to answer your question, is: 1. The operating limitations will tell you who can do the work. 2. If amateur-built, you probably can do the work, except for the annual "condition inspection". and 3. That condition inspection will probably have to be done by an A & P, since there are no "appropriately rated repair stations" for non-certified experimental aircraft that I know of.''But... I still think Mike Cuy's scenario gives you the second-best direction to follow. The first-best direction to follow is to get some chicken soup or hot tea going until you get well enough to fly, cover and certify the airplane, and get behind the stick yourself! That will change your whole outlook on whether to sell it or not!Oscar ZunigaMedford, Oregonmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 May 2036 00:36:21 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: For Jerry
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Re: Pietenpol-List: 51% rule... Corky, don't sell

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Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Anyone can do the maintenance on an "Experimental", anyone! You need anannual "condition" inspection done by either the plane's builder repairmanor an A&P. Don't need an IA but they also can be used.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orghttp://www.eaa.org for latest flying rules----- Original Message -----
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