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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ILPA ?In a message dated 12/16/01 9:16:49 AM Central Standard Time, fishin(at)wwa.com writes:>Boxcar was the B29 that dropped the 2nd bomb, on Nagasaki. ________________________________________________________________________________

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A more complete answer.Casein glue is made from dehydrated milk curds which have been ground to awhite or cream colored powder. It was first introduced during the WWI era.While the strength of a glue bond of any kind of glue depends on thematerial, fit of the joint, cleanliness of the surface, the pressureapplied, atmospheric conditions, etc., casein glue develops a bond capableof withstanding a shear stress well over 250 lbs. per square inch.Although this glue is often called waterproof, this is not strictly correct.It is, rather, water-resistant and the strength of the glue in a wet sheartest is still over 125 lbs. per square inch after being soaked on cold waterfor 48 hours.Casein glue is a cold water glue, meaning that it is mixed for use with coldwater (70 degrees F) and can be applied to cold lumber with equally goodeffects. These two items add greatly to the convenience of the glue. Thefact that a very small quantity can be mixed at one time, and that it doesnot have to be used immediately, and that unmixed powder can be kept over along period of time, if kept away from moisture, makes casein glue a veryeconomical glue. The required drying time is somewhat greater than otherglues, taking 24 to 48 hours to dry completely, but can be worked safelyafter having been in clamps for 12 hours.All of the above came from the book "Aircraft Maintenance" by Brimm &Boggess (1940). Having said all of this, I doubt any of us could find anyreal casein glue today. The Weldwood plastic resin powdered glue has all ofthe same qualities but is even more water resistant. That is what I useexclusively because it is cheap and incredibly easy to work. The very ideaof using a glue because it has "gap filling qualities" makes me scaredbecause the fit between the parts should be better than that.As an aside, the wings and tail of my 1928 Travel Air are all made withcasein glue that is 74 years old now. During the restoration I found thejoints completely sound, and I fly aerobatics regularly with it with noadverse effects that I have found on any inspection.Gene Rambotalking wayyy too muchand not working enough on the Piet________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:15:53 -0800Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Gerry Yarrish ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Pietenpol-List: DacronPieters,Just a little note of info or caution. I initially ordered 36 yds of fabric to cover my Piet. It isn't enuff. Having to order an additional 5 yds. Might help someone avoid my error.Corky in La just a cover'in away________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:23:34 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Skip Gadd ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel AvailabilityDick,I bought 100LL at a bulk station about a mile from the airport for $1.69 per. Also unleaded reg for my car for 1.21. Of course it's against the law or airport rules to refuel your plane on the airport. Can't even wash or hose off your plane because of the environmentalists. All these bastards come out of the cracks when there is no war or drafts it seems. I'm about ready to blow my top. In the meantime 41CC 's tank is full. Keep in touch.Our best to your brideCorky and Isabelle in La beginning to finish our 1927 Dodge Station Wagon________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:52:13 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Claude Corbett ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Beautiful job, Corky! Hopefully I'll be right there with you in about ayear.JackA new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Claude Corbett Subject: Photos of NX41CChttp://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Isablcorky ... __________

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Hello, low 'n' slow fliers;Those of you running Corvairs or other setups with an electrical system available can make a smoke system that is pretty nifty, using auto windshield washer tank and pump. As a matter of fact, even without an electrical system you can install a simple, dedicated electrically-operated smoke system this way like the Kansas City Dawn Patrol guys did, at http://www.kcdawnpatrol.com/smoke.htm It's a bit easier than hand-pumping the old fertilizer sprayer. Just hit the "pickle switch" on your control stick and you're making smoke.It's a real shame that the 9-11 thing took some of the fun out of flying activities. As Mike Cuy said about laying down a little bit of smoke these days, you risk being turned in to the Al-Qaida police if you try this at the wrong place or time.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.netMSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide ... ______Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:44:57 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Carl Loar ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Here is an A-65 located in Wisconsin, I think, for sale.Title of item: Aircraft Engine Continental 65 HpSeller: edlainwisconsinPrice: Starts at $800.00To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 731345Item Description: 2526.39 Total Time, 1741.79 Time Since Major Overhaul. Tapered Shaft. Removedfrom Aeronca Champ July 1999. Was running strong when removed. No accessories.Have LogBooks. Engine is on a stand. Can ship for shipping expenses. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:26:15 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Corky Corbett ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 0-200 EngineCorky,I talked to Mr. Harvey tonight and bought the engine. I plane to pick it up next week. Maybe I can get a look at your airplane while I'm over there. Tom ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 19:00:37 -0800Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Kent Hallsten ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Looks beautiful, Don!I'm right behind you. Finishing covering the left wing today, starting onthe right wing tomorrow or Monday.Jack -----Original Message-----

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Don Hicks,Great pics! Don't know if you will get this directly or second hand. butit looks like you are comming along nicely. Nice fuse color (smile).Keep the pics comming.walt evans----- Original Message -----

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Great pictures, BOB!!!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

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Forget the movie!!! The poster has a guy and a girl kissing, pretty disgusting for a Piet movie. ThoseHollywood types screw everything up with all their love scenes. What's wrongwith two hours of Pietenpols???Larry________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:59:22 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Michael D. Cuy ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Reunion this Weekend in OhioIn a message dated 8/23/03 12:29:42 PM Central Daylight Time, kipandbeth(at)earthlink.net writes:>Kip,Brodhead was the Best !! Meeting all you good folks, puts faces with names, and seeing all those beautiful planes, made me realize that there are lots of people out there with similar unique intrests. I'm working on my next story, as I type. At work, I'm trying to convince 'em to give me a leave of absence next summer, so I can do 'A Lap Around America'. Would that be cool, or what??? Yes, thank you, I did make that prop. Maybe that was the reason I didn't want that rain to undue all the effort I put into it !! Props, like women,should also be smooth to the touch, easy on the eyes, and usually lead me around by the nose !!Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine mountHey Alex.....Good going on your Piet progress...I didn't realize you were that far along! I'm setting up my Piet for the Model-A which I already have sitting in its' mounts. All structure is finished and the fabric is on the tailfeathers, ailerons and the bottom of the left wing. The more I talk to Mark Langford, the more interested I get in the Corvair engine. I may change enginesafter a couple of years experience with the Ford. I've ordered Wm. Wynne's expensive little book. I am particularly interested right now in where the engineCG winds up with the engine outfitted just as you have it. I think Wm. Wynne's Piet was one of the best looking Piets I've seen. If you get over in this direction, give me a call so I can give you directions to my house...It's realeasy. Keep us posted...Carl Vought, Huntsville, AL.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:40:19 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ John Ford ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress picsHey Terry,I just checked out the pics of the Fly-In, and your progress. This computer stuff is GREAT !! It will help build better planes, as much as anything. I sure wish I could have made it down there. I like the spring type, split axlesuspension better, as opposed to the bunji chords. The only drawback that I can see, is if your springs aren't strong enough, ya gotta get another set somewhere, probably custom made.I also noticed the last pic of your progress, you said the axles are 18" aft of the firewall. The plans call out 17" for this dimension. I'd hate to see you bust up your dad's prop !!!Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:54:07 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Charles F. Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Tony B. recommends a layer of fabric called ZETEX be installed behind the metalfirewall. I emailed the Newtex Corp. for info but no response. What did you guys use?Lynn Knoll Wichita________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 12:59:45 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Bill Sayre ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Sorry guys--I'm trying to get rid of it...________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:18:18 -0800Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Claude Corbett ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Corky,Great pics!!Plane looks great!Ain't life grand!walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

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Walter,the ship looks great!chris bobka----- Original Message -----

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Adjusting tension in drag/antidrag cables.In a message dated 1/22/04 5:53:01 PM Central Standard Time, bconoly(at)earthlink.net writes:>Bert,I'll bet you also wonder if you should cover up such beautiful artwork !!!Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:09:55 -0800Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Shawn Wolk ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Pietenpol airfoil analysisIn a message dated 4/8/04 2:05:11 PM Central Daylight Time, djv(at)imagedv.com writes:>Mike is based at Benton Airport, and we do some hanger talk at least once a week. He just completed his RV6A, and has been flying it a lot. He'll be at Oshkosh this year. Every time he sends me the stuff on airfoils, via e-mail, for some reason my computer doesn't accept the graphic stuff, and the info is very limited. Probably the settings I have, but I don't know how to alter them. I downloaded what Ken sent, but it took 19 minutes...it worked, but no graphics. I finally got to read his article. I just hope he doesn't start a trend to change the Pietenpol Airfoil. Mike is a great 'Airplane type guy', witha real sense of humor, very interested in aerodynamics (he also did an in depth analysis of the Tailwind airfoil), and has been there when I needed a hand.He has a web site on Yahoo, but you have to sign up with Yahoo to access it. The web address is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airfoil/files/For his day job, he is a Doctor.Chuck GantzerNX770CG2 hr flight Thursday !!________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:44:39 -0700Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Ken Chambers ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!

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Kirk,You wanted some input so here goes.I beveled the edges of the 1 inch top piece and the two side pieces (straps)by tilting the table 45 degrees on a 1 inch belt sander. I cut 1 inch squaretubing from ACE hardware into four 7 inch pieces and drilled the 1/4 inchholes for the bottom three holes and bolted the two pieces to the squaretube. I put a 1/4" bolt and nut in the hole next to the top and tightened itjust enough to hold the 1" top piece in place. It took a MIG welder lessthan10 minutes to weld the four. This is really a easy procedure and Iwould bet some other Piet builder even has a better procedure. Think abouthow much more resistance to elongated holes exists when this fitting is onepiece as designed.Lynn KnollWichita----- Original Message -----

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Shawn, Looks awesome. Excellent job. Let us know how ithandles...........................Doug BlackburnDoug & Elizabeth Blackburnwww.inlandsloperebels.comW W's Conversion Manual 3202, 5782www.flycorvair.com----- Original Message -----

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