Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Power tool advice>>Hi List,>>Well, now that I've gone & 'got married' by running off with someone else's>partially complete project, I'm starting to think about getting my workshop>set up, something I thought I could put off until we were more settled in>the new house, but now has a little more urgency.>>So, I'd like some advice about tools, mostly power tools; I have a good>selection of power & non-power hand tools & non-power woodworking tools.>Took a look at a few things at ye olde Home Depot today that got the brain>turning. I am assuming the following are helpful, if not essential, any>comments?>>1.) A good vise for bending fittings, etc. - how big is big enough?>>2.) Drill press - HD had a 10" Ryobi benchtop model with 1/2" chuck for>about $100.00 - big enough/good enough?>>3.) Table saw - based on comments on the list in the past few weeks, sounds>like a real useful item. HD had a 10", 15amp Skil for about $200. Comments>on size or other considerations?>>4.) Bandsaw - Again, sounds real useful. Anyone have any feelings about the>minimum useful throat height &/or other considerations? HD was selling a>Delta with 10" throat for $300.>>Any other big-ticket tool items that people have found that they can't live>without?>>Thanks one & All!>>Kip Gardner (off to my first EAA chapter meeting since landing in OH)>>>426 Schneider St. SE>North Canton, OH 44720>(330) 494-1775>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
In laying out my panel I'm trying to keep my panel mounted compass as far from anything electrical as I can. It ends up about 12" from the electronic impulse type tach ( I haven't bought the tach yet so I could still go mechanical but I really don't want the weight and expence of a bulky,heavy cable and 90 degree adapter)and it ends up right next to the mag switch.Does anyone know if 12" is far enough from the tach? Since the mag swith is an open circuit when the engine is running I'm thinking there shouldn't be any magnetism from the switch is this true?I haven't mounted the switch yet so I could put it somewhere else. Thanks in advance. Ed G.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
In laying out my panel I'm trying to keep my panel mounted compass as farfrom anything electrical as I can. It ends up about 12" from the electronicimpulse type tach ( I haven't bought the tach yet so I could still gomechanical but I really don't want the weight and expence of a bulky,heavycable and 90 degree adapter)and it ends up right next to the mag switch.Doesanyone know if 12" is far enough from the tach? Since the mag swith is anopen circuit when the engine is running I'm thinking there shouldn't be anymagnetism from the switch is this true?I haven't mounted the switch yet so I could put it somewhere else. Thanks inadvance. Ed G.Ed, I would bet that the electronic impulse type of tach would cause farless interference with your compass than the steel cables required for themechanical type. As long as you swing your compass with the engine runningit should not be a problem.Speaking of swinging the compass, I learned something from one of BobWhittier's "Light Plane Heritage" articles in EAA's Experimenter magazine afew months ago (actually I learn something from every article he writes.His articles are always worth reading and quite frequently are the onlything in Experimenter that I will bother to read - the rest being prettymuch cinfined to Ultralights.). In this article he pointed out that the oldWacos used wooden joysticks to avoid messing up the compass. I tried movingthe steel tube stick in my Pietenpol around while holding the compass whereit will eventually reside and lo and behold - moving the stick around causedas much as a 30 degree swing in the compass! Of course, if you are movingyour stick that much you wouldn't be able to read the compass anyway, butthe point is that there is a 30 degree difference in the compass readingwith the stick in level flight position and full down elevator (like it iswhen the plane is at rest). The lesson from all this is to have the stickheld at the level flight attitude when you are swinging your compass, or itmay be off by quite a bit.Jack________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:12:15 -0500

Original Posted By: "John Hofmann"
Thanks for the input guys...the control stick thing was really interesting Jack. I guess a compass doesn't have much of a chance with the control stick, airleron cables, cabane struts, electric etc. I guess I'll just stick it in the panel to make the FAA guys happy and buy a good GPS. Have a great holiday season. Ed G.>From: Michael D Cuy >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:12:15 -0500>>>>Ed---- It might help to run stainless X aileron control cables there as>they will come in very close proximity to your compass. (but then again>our trusty IA told me to run stainless for bracing cable installations and>galvanized for pulley or bending applications. (Cy G. whaddya think......>sure respect your knowledge !)>>My big WWII compass took a few turns to swing properly in flight and>it's still not perfect but it gives good enough reference. Tell you the >truth>I really do not use it at all. Between charts and gps I basically pick >out>a point on the horizon....water tower, landmark, etc. and keep the fuel>cork/wire>bullseye on it and 1/2 hour later or so you are there:))>>Mike C.>>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Ed,Ever thought of mounting it in the trailing edge of the wing? Viable optionin my humble opinion.-john->> Thanks for the input guys...the control stick thing was reallyinteresting> Jack. I guess a compass doesn't have much of a chance with the control> stick, airleron cables, cabane struts, electric etc. I guess I'll juststick> it in the panel to make the FAA guys happy and buy a good GPS. Have agreat> holiday season. Ed G.>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:09:59 -0600

Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
I think that as long as you keep the pulleys large the material of the cabledoesn't matter to the non-anal retentive. BTW, the SS control cables arestill working fine as they came from the factory in the 1948 Bellanca.As to the SS being the preferred cable near a compass, here again I don'tthink unless you are very close that it should affect the compass. Not allSS is non-magnetic. My Bellanca has a drive chain for the ailerons whichisn't SS that goes across under the compass but below the aluminuminstrument panel cover. It works fine.Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
I did think of mounting it in the trailing edge of the wing but to be honest I've never even sat in a real live Piet and don't know if I could see it up there ( my center section isn't done yet). I had also thought of mounting my radio in the c/s cut out but don't know if you could see it or reach it from sitting in the cockpit. I was going to try to wait until after the c/s and cabanes were in place to try it because the radio that I would "like" to use is too deep to fit in the panel ( around my area, under Tampa class B, a radio is a must). A DE-MAGNETIZER ??? I been to 27 County fairs and ain't never heard of nothin' like that!!! I did notice that Allan Wise's Piet from Orlando Fl. has a wooden stick and wooden cabane struts. I wonder if that is why??? Thanks for the responses Ed G.>From: "John Hofmann" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:56:38 -0600>>>Ed,>Ever thought of mounting it in the trailing edge of the wing? Viable option>in my humble opinion.>>-john->>> >> > Thanks for the input guys...the control stick thing was really>interesting> > Jack. I guess a compass doesn't have much of a chance with the control> > stick, airleron cables, cabane struts, electric etc. I guess I'll just>stick> > it in the panel to make the FAA guys happy and buy a good GPS. Have a>great> > holiday season. Ed G.> >>>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:53:48 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner

Original Posted By: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Mark,Most airports have a painted off area called the Compass Rose. It isoriented to the clock positions of the compass and looks a lot like a shieldto ward off evil spirits as seen on barns out East or a multi-pointed star.The short story is, one takes their plane to the rose to figure out yourcompass deviation card. You orient the aircraft or "swing it" to the pointsof the compass and read off the real value vs. what is shown on the compassitself. Then using the compensator magnets on the compass and the deviationcard you can get an accurate compass reading. This is the short story and itis really easier to do than to explain. Watch it once and you figure it out.I used to do this quite a bit as a Gen Av mechanic but have not practiced itin a few years. Anyone with a better explanation feel free to flame me :)TakeCare,-john-> What does it mean to "swing" a compass?>> Mark Boynton>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference

Original Posted By: Jim Malley

Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interferenceInteresting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what theyactually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G. ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "K. and J. Hallsten"

Original Posted By: "Kip & Beth Gardner"
Well, now that I've gone & 'got married' by running off with someone else'spartially complete project......Kip did you find a woman who is pregnant bysomeone else?The drill press is way too small if it is a table top model. I had one andif I put a vise on it with a piece chucked up. the drillwould be too longto get it over the work. Harbor frieght usually has a 16 speed for about269 dollars including free shipping. I have one and so does Greg Cardinal.Not the best but does ok. Also, you need lots of speeds especially the slowspeeds. The Harbor Frieght one can turn about 170 RPM on the slow end whichis good enough for up to about 3/4" hole in steel.Buy the biggest most powerful bench grinder you can afford. Make sure it ismetal not plastic. You do not want deflection. The tool rests are usuallylousy unless you find an old Rockwell/Delta. Try some garage sales orauctions.Table saw. I have a sears table saw. Ten inch and hate the think but cantlive without it. I also have two radial arm saws. One is a 220volt sears12 incher that I got at a garagesale for 100 dollars with some extra stuff.The other is a dewalt 10 incher that was at the dump gettting dropped offwhen I was there. Both needed new tables made out of new wood. Probablyanother 100 dollars to get each runnnin including a new 50 dollar blade.Get good blades...Top of the line carbide for me Freud, Oldham, etc.I also like the taiwan toolbox metal cutting bandsaw from Harbor Frieght.About 169 dollars including the shipping. has demountable table and thenhas a vise to hold tubes and the arm swings down to cut the tube of its ownwieght.Chris bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Larry Neal"
Larry,A compass is a thing you use in grade school to make circles with.Chris----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "fishin"
Again, kip, the Harbor Frieght 6 x 48 belt and 9 inch disc combo is usuallyabout 179 including shipping. They also have pretty good belts cheap. Getthe 80 and 60 even 40 grit for polishing edges (hold edge legthwise to thebelt motion.Use elmers white glue to glue the disc to the back plate. That wasy you cansoak it in water and it will come right off when it is time to change it.Chris bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
Chris, Now THAT is a compass explanation that I LIKE!! A compass in a Piet - Since it's required, maybe just put it where it helpsyour W&B the most!! Hey, Maybe I've hit on something - Put ALL theinstruments in the front pit, that might help W&B some!!Gary M.Spring, TX.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
be sure to add a combination belt & disc sander. you won't be sorryJoeC-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Lutz Gebhardt
Thanks to those that shared their experiences with compass deviation it's something I haven't done before and didn't want to mess it up. To those that care to make fun of my post you need to sit back and think about what this list is all about. Maybe you should start your own list.I have some suggestions as to what you could name it but can't put them on my company's computer. Thanks to all who have helped me with information over the last two years. In the future I will figure out my own problems or e-mail the real people that I have met from the list personally. Ed G.>From: Larry Neal >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0600>>>Okay,>>You guys got me again, what's a compass?>Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???>>Larry>;-)>>>"Ed G." wrote:>> >> > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what they> > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> >>>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:03:43 +0100

Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
I'm going to diaviate from the group here... I hate bandsaws. They are slowand, unless they have a perfect blade, leave a rough cut in wood. To me,they are a speciality tool for cutting curves, not a replacement for thegood-old table saw. (This is my OPINION, please let's not start a hugedebate over this)The Home Depot table Skil table saw that you saw for $200 is the same saw asthe Craftsman or the no names that you get at the import tool stores: 12"table saw with aluminum top, plastic base, left-hand tilt, plastic mitergage, a thin aluminum formed fence, and direct drive motor. (I'm sure theyall come from the same factory in Asia). Typically, they are $150 with thestand, I saw one at Rural King (local farm supply store) for $119 yesterday.It requires some tuning periodically. I've had it for five years and itworks ADAQUATELY but doesn't make me real happy. I did find it's limitationwhile building an entertainment center (beyond only 11" of fence on theright side and 11-1/2" on the left, regardless of what the markings show).The aluminum fence is flexible and can be warped when pushing against it.Even with a clamp on the backside, this can cause a 1/64" error. No bigdeal most of the time except when you are trying to cut two-pass slots forpanels (plywood, not instrument) and the groove is inconsistant. I'mholding out for the $1500 one with the 50" fence!The bench sander is a necessity. I've got the small Craftsman $100 one.The larger ones didn't provide me any more benefit and the belts are moreexpensive and harder to find. I had a really big one at my cabinet shop andit wasn't any more accurate or well built. I could, however, grind down a2x4. :)Robert Haines________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:10:58 -0600

Original Posted By: Larry Neal

Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
I have tried not to post questions to the list unless I can't find the info in my books or figure it out on my own. Being in an urban area my EAA group doen't seem too interested in anything that's not aluminum with three hundred h.p. This particular question I e-mailed someone personally about, waited two days and didn't get an answer. Wanting to get on with my panel I put it out to the list. This is not the first time that one of my questions to the list has been made a mockery of which goes on for days. Other people ask seemingly elementary questions and get tons of sincere answers from the group, after a while one does take it perssonally. As for the so called smiley face, I'm not a computer person so that group of puntuations did not represent a smileyface to me. Ed>From: Larry Neal >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:08 -0600>>>Ed,>>Don't take offense.>>The compass comment was in jest, note the smiley face after the signature. >If>you re-read it you may see that I'm making fun at all of us who have gotten >away>from dead reckoning and become too dependent on our electronic toys, >including>myself.>>Larry>>>Ed Grentzer wrote:>>> >> > Thanks to those that shared their experiences with compass deviation> > it's something I haven't done before and didn't want to mess it up.> > To those that care to make fun of my post you need to sit back and> > think about what this list is all about. Maybe you should start your> > own list.I have some suggestions as to what you could name it but> > can't put them on my company's computer. Thanks to all who have> > helped me with information over the last two years. In the future I> > will figure out my own problems or e-mail the real people> > that I have met from the list personally. Ed G.> >> > >From: Larry Neal > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0600> > >>> > >> > >Okay,> > >> > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???> > >> > >Larry> > >;-)> > >> > >> > >"Ed G." wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what they> > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > >> > >> > >> >> > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:07:38 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Larry,This works well with a lot of airplane work (swearing and throwing tools). Ialso would add that the shaking of a freshly slaughtered chicken whileburning incense also adds to the process. Well at least it makes goodconversation for the airport locals. A rubber chicken will work in a pinch.> Swinging the compass is an art form, but you can get good results bylining up> on the compass rose and twiddling the adjusting screws. One should be for> east-west, the other is used when lined up north-south. You'll have torepeat a> couple of times. Swearing and throwing tools seems to help.> Those more knowledgeable than me can probably provide improvements to this> technique..TakeCare,-john-________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:40:55 -0500

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Sorry I got ticked Larry..it wasn't just you that got under my skin, nothing personal. BTW I reinforced my seat back with two strips of spruce across the back. one behind my shoulder blades and the other near the bottom.>From: Larry Neal >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:10:02 -0600>>>Ed,>>I think that it's the nature of email lists. Without voice inflection and >body>language it's easy to offend folks, hence the use of little symbols to show>emotion. Still the rule is don't be shy to post and there is no such thing >as a>dumb question. This is a fun group and you are welcome here.>>We all ticked from time to time. In fact I posted a question about >reinforcing>the seat backs a while back and no-body replied. I moped around for a day >or>two until I realized that most folks were spending hours upon hours >researching>spars and writing informative replies.>>So don't feel alone, I get my blood pressure raised about every two or >three>months, but unless it's someone from outside just trying to stir up trouble >it's>always just a misunderstanding.>>So back to practical matters. Did the stainless answers solve your >problem?>I'm not caught up with my mail just yet so let me know.>>In my humble opinion, you should not worry too much about the steel up >front.>The compensating magnets in the compass are intended to correct for this.>>Swinging the compass is an art form, but you can get good results by lining >up>on the compass rose and twiddling the adjusting screws. One should be for>east-west, the other is used when lined up north-south. You'll have to >repeat a>couple of times. Swearing and throwing tools seems to help.>Those more knowledgeable than me can probably provide improvements to this>technique..>>Don't run power cables to close to the compass and be sure to check for>spontaneous changes in direction when switching on electrical equipment. >This>is not a big concern for the traditional hand held strapped to the panel >but can>be important if you intend to install radar and ILS systems. >>Larry>>Ed Grentzer wrote:>>> >> > I have tried not to post questions to the list unless I can't find >the> > info in my books or figure it out on my own. Being in an urban area my >EAA> > group doen't seem too interested in anything that's not aluminum with >three> > hundred h.p. This particular question I e-mailed someone personally >about,> > waited two days and didn't get an answer. Wanting to get on with my >panel I> > put it out to the list. This is not the first time that one of my >questions> > to the list has been made a mockery of which goes on for days. Other >people> > ask seemingly elementary questions and get tons of sincere answers from >the> > group, after a while one does take it perssonally. As for the so called> > smiley face, I'm not a computer person so that group of puntuations did >not> > represent a smiley> > face to me. Ed> >> > >From: Larry Neal > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:08 -0600> > >>> > >> > >Ed,> > >> > >Don't take offense.> > >> > >The compass comment was in jest, note the smiley face after the >signature.> > >If> > >you re-read it you may see that I'm making fun at all of us who have >gotten> > >away> > >from dead reckoning and become too dependent on our electronic toys,> > >including> > >myself.> > >> > >Larry> > >> > >> > >Ed Grentzer wrote:> > >> > >> > > >> > > > Thanks to those that shared their experiences with compass >deviation> > > > it's something I haven't done before and didn't want to mess it >up.> > > > To those that care to make fun of my post you need to sit back >and> > > > think about what this list is all about. Maybe you should start >your> > > > own list.I have some suggestions as to what you could name it but> > > > can't put them on my company's computer. Thanks to all who have> > > > helped me with information over the last two years. In the future >I> > > > will figure out my own problems or e-mail the real people> > > > that I have met from the list personally. Ed G.> > > >> > > > >From: Larry Neal > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > > > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0600> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >Okay,> > > > >> > > > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > > > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???> > > > >> > > > >Larry> > > > >;-)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >"Ed G." wrote:> > > > >>G.)> > > > > >> > > > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what >they> > > > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > > > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com> > > >> > >> > >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interferenceIn a message dated 12/14/01 12:48:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com writes: Sorry I got ticked Larry..it wasn't just you that got under my skin, nothing personal. BTW I reinforced my seat back with two strips of spruce across the back. one behind my shoulder blades and the other near the bottom. >>Thats what is so great about this list. We can all share ideas, and when we have questions get several different views of the same thing.I did enjoy the comments about the compass, both the serious and the sarcastic. I'll have to remember the information about Stainless Steel and brass. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:12:41 -0500

Original Posted By: "Ed G."
ED,What was more amazing to me, was what I saw in the navy. Our sub wasactually put into a degaussing station where they looped cables around theboat with a "coil", and actually demagged the whole boat. This is so theP3 Orion ( don't know if they still use them) couldn't pick us up under thesurface. They did it by seeing the earth's magnetic lines being distortedby the magnetized boat.Anyway, back to the compass. Didn't see it discussed how to set the compassproperly. (If I remember properly)First set the plane to a heading,like north. Now whatever your compassreads, adjust for half the error on the screw marked N-S Like if compassreads330, adjust the screw to read 345. Then to south, if reads,say, 170.Adjust to 175. You keeping halving the error till you can zero in on it.And so on with the E-W headings.Don't remember the sequence exactly, weather you go from N-S, then to E-W,then back to N-S, but there is a set procedure. I'll try to find it if youneed it.Oh Yeah, YOU HAVE TO USE A NON FERROUS SCREWDRIVER, like aluminum , brassor fiber.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: jared wilkinson

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Walt, Ed,That's the sequence, but as someone pointed out, the plane must be level,the engine should be running (preferably at cruise power but that's not soimportant), all electrical equipment (if any) should be on and operating,and as I said in my post a couple of days ago, if the stick is steel itshould be held in the cruise position. Do this for N/S and E/W and adjustit as well as possible. Any deviations left uncorrected should be noted ona compass correction card located near the compass in plain view. I thinkthe compass correction card is required equipment by the FAA (help me onthis, Cy G.) and is sort of a mark that you really knew what you were doingwhen you built this plane. You may never use it again, but it might helpget the FAA's approval.Jack -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
> "What was more amazing to me, was what I saw in the navy. Our sub was> actually put into a degaussing station where they looped cables around the> boat with a "coil", and actually demagged the whole boat."Actually, degaussing was invented by the British during WWII to combatmagnetic mines. They "wiped" their ships with an electrified wire and themines didn't work anymore. It had to be repeated after a time, though.Don't worry too much about the compass. Mount it where you want and adjustit as close as you can. That's why you have a deviation card, so that youknow how much the structure is altering the reading so you can make thenecessary correction to your heading.I am just now getting back on the list after a prolonged absence after mycomputer crashed and I was too stupid to figure out how to get back on thelist. Who was it that used to have the Piet site that had, literally,hundreds of photos of Piets and projects? I lost the address and cannotfind it again, if it even exists anymore.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Larry Neal

Original Posted By: Larry Neal

Original Posted By: "Ed Grentzer"
Hi again Lutz....I just found your Web site after I e-mailed you. It answered some of my questions. very nicely done, you must have quite a bit of time invested in it. Your plane looks great, congratulations on finding her. The best Ed Grentzer>From: Lutz Gebhardt >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference>Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:03:43 +0100>>>>Hi Ed,>>I wouldn't take those comments neither too personal nor too serious. In >general>I don't post to the list, but I have been subscribed to it for many years >now>already - back to when it was on another server and administered by Steve>Eldredge. The tone has always been rather polite and helpful, without the>flaming and what-else-do I know now so prevalent in many Usenet groups.>So just look beyond it, ignore the occasional sarcasm and keep reading and>posting. Remember - there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers ...>>Best Regards,> Lutz>>(Stuttgart, Germany)>>-->1962 Jodel DR.1050 Ambassadeur D-EHIE s/n 291 'Heidi'>>lutz(at)jodel.com>>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Gary Gower
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Power tool advice>>> > >> >Hi List,> >> >Well, now that I've gone & 'got married' by running off with someoneelse's> >partially complete project, I'm starting to think about getting myworkshop> >set up, something I thought I could put off until we were more settled in> >the new house, but now has a little more urgency.> >> >So, I'd like some advice about tools, mostly power tools; I have a good> >selection of power & non-power hand tools & non-power woodworking tools.> >Took a look at a few things at ye olde Home Depot today that got thebrain> >turning. I am assuming the following are helpful, if not essential, any> >comments?> >> >1.) A good vise for bending fittings, etc. - how big is big enough?> >> >2.) Drill press - HD had a 10" Ryobi benchtop model with 1/2" chuck for> >about $100.00 - big enough/good enough?> >> >3.) Table saw - based on comments on the list in the past few weeks,sounds> >like a real useful item. HD had a 10", 15amp Skil for about $200.Comments> >on size or other considerations?> >> >4.) Bandsaw - Again, sounds real useful. Anyone have any feelings aboutthe> >minimum useful throat height &/or other considerations? HD was selling a> >Delta with 10" throat for $300.> >> >Any other big-ticket tool items that people have found that they can'tlive> >without?> >> >Thanks one & All!> >> >Kip Gardner (off to my first EAA chapter meeting since landing in OH)> >> >> >426 Schneider St. SE> >North Canton, OH 44720> >(330) 494-1775> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:01:42 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "Gary Meadows"
> >> Hofmann" > >> >Ed,> >Ever thought of mounting it in the trailing edge of> the wing? Viable option> >in my humble opinion.> >> >-john-> >> >> > >> > > Thanks for the input guys...the control stick> thing was really> >interesting> > > Jack. I guess a compass doesn't have much of a> chance with the control> > > stick, airleron cables, cabane struts, electric> etc. I guess I'll just> >stick> > > it in the panel to make the FAA guys happy and> buy a good GPS. Have a> >great> > > holiday season. Ed G.> > >> >> >> > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:> http://mobile.msn.com> > >> Forum -> Contributions of> any other form>> latest messages.> other List members.>> http://www.matronics.com/subscription> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare> http://www.matronics.com/search> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Kent Hallsten
> >> >> >Okay,> >> >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???> >> >Larry> >;-)> >> >> >"Ed G." wrote:> >> > >> > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what they> > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > >> >> >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: del magsam
> > >> > > >> > >Okay,> > >> > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial> device???> > >> > >Larry> > >;-)> > >> > >> > >"Ed G." wrote:> > >> flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.)> > > >> > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but> never knew what they> > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize> ferrus metals?> > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > >> > >> > >> >> > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:> http://mobile.msn.com> >> > >> Forum -> Contributions of> any other form>> latest messages.> other List members.>> http://www.matronics.com/subscription> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare> http://www.matronics.com/search> http://www.matronics.com/archives> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists>> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:52:54 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
> > >> > > >> > >Okay,> > >> > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial> device???> > >> > >Larry> > >;-)> > >> > >> > >"Ed G." wrote:> > >> flyboy_120(at)webtv.net (Ed G.)> > > >> > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but> never knew what they> > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize> ferrus metals?> > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > >> > >> > >> >> > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:> http://mobile.msn.com > >> > >> Forum -> Contributions of> any other form>> latest messages.> other List members.>> http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/search > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: DonanClara(at)aol.com
> >> >> >Ed,> >> >Don't take offense.> >> >The compass comment was in jest, note the smiley face after the signature.> >If> >you re-read it you may see that I'm making fun at all of us who have gotten> >away> >from dead reckoning and become too dependent on our electronic toys,> >including> >myself.> >> >Larry> >> >> >Ed Grentzer wrote:> >> >> > >> > > Thanks to those that shared their experiences with compass deviation> > > it's something I haven't done before and didn't want to mess it up.> > > To those that care to make fun of my post you need to sit back and> > > think about what this list is all about. Maybe you should start your> > > own list.I have some suggestions as to what you could name it but> > > can't put them on my company's computer. Thanks to all who have> > > helped me with information over the last two years. In the future I> > > will figure out my own problems or e-mail the real people> > > that I have met from the list personally. Ed G.> > >> > > >From: Larry Neal > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0600> > > >> >> > > >> > > >Okay,> > > >> > > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???> > > >> > > >Larry> > > >;-)> > > >> > > >> > > >"Ed G." wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what they> > > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com> > >> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: del magsam
> >> >> >Ed,> >> >I think that it's the nature of email lists. Without voice inflection and> >body> >language it's easy to offend folks, hence the use of little symbols to show> >emotion. Still the rule is don't be shy to post and there is no such thing> >as a> >dumb question. This is a fun group and you are welcome here.> >> >We all ticked from time to time. In fact I posted a question about> >reinforcing> >the seat backs a while back and no-body replied. I moped around for a day> >or> >two until I realized that most folks were spending hours upon hours> >researching> >spars and writing informative replies.> >> >So don't feel alone, I get my blood pressure raised about every two or> >three> >months, but unless it's someone from outside just trying to stir up trouble> >it's> >always just a misunderstanding.> >> >So back to practical matters. Did the stainless answers solve your> >problem?> >I'm not caught up with my mail just yet so let me know.> >> >In my humble opinion, you should not worry too much about the steel up> >front.> >The compensating magnets in the compass are intended to correct for this.> >> >Swinging the compass is an art form, but you can get good results by lining> >up> >on the compass rose and twiddling the adjusting screws. One should be for> >east-west, the other is used when lined up north-south. You'll have to> >repeat a> >couple of times. Swearing and throwing tools seems to help.> >Those more knowledgeable than me can probably provide improvements to this> >technique..> >> >Don't run power cables to close to the compass and be sure to check for> >spontaneous changes in direction when switching on electrical equipment.> >This> >is not a big concern for the traditional hand held strapped to the panel> >but can> >be important if you intend to install radar and ILS systems. > >> >Larry> >> >Ed Grentzer wrote:> >> >> > >> > > I have tried not to post questions to the list unless I can't find> >the> > > info in my books or figure it out on my own. Being in an urban area my> >EAA> > > group doen't seem too interested in anything that's not aluminum with> >three> > > hundred h.p. This particular question I e-mailed someone personally> >about,> > > waited two days and didn't get an answer. Wanting to get on with my> >panel I> > > put it out to the list. This is not the first time that one of my> >questions> > > to the list has been made a mockery of which goes on for days. Other> >people> > > ask seemingly elementary questions and get tons of sincere answers from> >the> > > group, after a while one does take it perssonally. As for the so called> > > smiley face, I'm not a computer person so that group of puntuations did> >not> > > represent a smiley> > > face to me. Ed> > >> > > >From: Larry Neal > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > > >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:13:08 -0600> > > >> >> > > >> > > >Ed,> > > >> > > >Don't take offense.> > > >> > > >The compass comment was in jest, note the smiley face after the> >signature.> > > >If> > > >you re-read it you may see that I'm making fun at all of us who have> >gotten> > > >away> > > >from dead reckoning and become too dependent on our electronic toys,> > > >including> > > >myself.> > > >> > > >Larry> > > >> > > >> > > >Ed Grentzer wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks to those that shared their experiences with compass> >deviation> > > > > it's something I haven't done before and didn't want to mess it> >up.> > > > > To those that care to make fun of my post you need to sit back> >and> > > > > think about what this list is all about. Maybe you should start> >your> > > > > own list.I have some suggestions as to what you could name it but> > > > > can't put them on my company's computer. Thanks to all who have> > > > > helped me with information over the last two years. In the future> >I> > > > > will figure out my own problems or e-mail the real people> > > > > that I have met from the list personally. Ed G.> > > > >> > > > > >From: Larry Neal > > > > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: compass interference> > > > > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:44:28 -0600> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >Okay,> > > > > >> > > > > >You guys got me again, what's a compass?> > > > > >Do they come with USB ports or is this a serial device???> > > > > >> > > > > >Larry> > > > > >;-)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >"Ed G." wrote:> > > > > >> >G.)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Interesting!! I've heard of a degausser but never knew what> >they> > > > > > > actually were. Will it actualy demagnatize ferrus metals?> > > > > > > If so that's pretty amazing. Ed G.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device:> >http://mobile.msn.com> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:49:00 -0800 (PST)