Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: List rulesMaybe we should forget the list rules just as Fish has chosen to forgetcommon sense and safe building practices and safe materials. We saydon't use bail wire and he suggests rope to brace his tail. He has madestatements already that have legal ramifications when (not if) he killshimself on his first test flight. I feel sorry for Home Depot when hisheirs and their lawyers tare into them for supplying non airworthymaterial to him to build an airplane as if it was their fault. Everwonder why people run away screaming when you say airplane? Next Matt D.and Matronics will be guilty by association. Remember the Int. Piet.Ass.? Haven heard from them since the law suit they had to fight thereway out of. They beat the suit, but went broke doing it. Last week someone told him that no FAA examiner in his right mind will give him anairworthiness cert. He said in writing, on this sight (traceable back tohim) that he would fly with or without the c of a. In other words "I'mgoing t brake the law". At that point we all should have raised ourvoices and told him to unsubscribed and get lost immediately. By notdoing so we are on the same plane as the students who hear those wackjob kids who say that they are gong to bring a gun to school and killpeople, and don't tell the authorities. I'm sure those same lawyers willbe glad to add the names of each subscriber to any law suit they wouldbring foreward. We are polite to him with good advise which he simplyignores. Fisherman, some things should not be, you building an airplaneis one of them. You and your cheap skate construction are going to ruinit for all of us. Your death will be another coffin nail in general andsport aviation. A negative we don't need. I'm going to send a note toMatt and ask him to ban Fisherman from the list before he gets us allsued. If he doesn't go, I will. I can't be a part of his nuttiness. LeonS. PS Fisherman< don,t waste your money on the Bengiles books.They are ful of good advise which you will also ignore because hedosn't recoment buying your mateial at a hardware store.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:03:47 -0800

Original Posted By: JamesJboyer(at)aol.com
Among other things, Leon Stefan wrote:> Fisherman, some things should not be, you building an airplane> is one of them. You and your cheap skate construction are going to ruin> it for all of us. Your death will be another coffin nail in general and> sport aviation.All this would be true if the Fish Guy were serious. I plain don't believeit.He's just pulling your chain, LHAO at how he's gotten to you. Relax, Leon.Ignore him. If we all do, maybe he'll go away.Gotta get used to it. The anonymity of e-mail brings out the a**ho!ein some people. That's why e-mail sofware comes with a bozo filter.Fish Guy hasn't gotten into mine yet, because at least he isn't overtlyabusive, like too many of the clowns I've run into on the Net. But theday could come.Owen Davies________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Larry Neal
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List rulesWhy not continue to offer good advice and less vindictiveness. He has a right to his opinion just as we have a right to voice ours.Who knows he might even appreciate the good information. I for one would rather have that than the waste fo space your message is.Cheers, Jim________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:57:24 -0600

Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"

Original Posted By: "Alan Swanson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List rulesHi Warren,I agree with your concerns, but still think offering good advice and not flaming him is the best response. It keeps everyone calmer and helps rational thought.And actually some of his ideas are thought provoking about finding better ways to do things, or at least helping to identify just why things are done the way they are.So many people on this have really good information that the other stuff just gets in the way.Warren, we just have to hope he is pulling our legs and really is building a good Piet or whatever. If Ray has been building boats as long as it sounds like he could probably help us our in our woodwork as to joints, shaping wood, etc.Anyway, its the spice of life, well until women come around!Cheers, Jim________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Larry Neal
I agree with Larry- we have an obligation to try to dissuade any homebuilderfrom making poor choices because they didn't know better. I would have madesome stupid errors if not for the good advice on this list. It would benice if the advice were taken a bit more seriously.Soon after this whole series of threads began, I started a new FishermanCaye archive folder because I got a chuckle out of it. Especially when itgot to using string for tail feather bracing.I for one hope he stays around, that he asks for and uses good advice, andthat eventually he will have a safe airplane to fly.Al Swanson-snip-I should point out that it's possible that he's up front. If so itwon't hurt to go on record as trying to dissuade him from badconstruction. Who knows you might save this guy's life rather than tickhim off and send him away to build on his own. I've also seen thesecontroversial figures turn out to be great list members once they getthe hang of it.But the "fisherman" handle says it all for me. He's fishing, playinghis game, a benign one by comparison to others, but he's enjoying pokingfun at everything in sight. Personally, I don't mind too much. I thinkI benefit from a reality check every now and then. I'd hate to wake upone day to realize I've become a stuffed shirt.-snip-________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:07:39 -0600

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
But how do we explain the pictures on the website that he has? A few weeksago he listed a web site and it shows a hammock, mango trees, and a Pietunder construction.Chris-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye

Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner

Original Posted By: Dmott9(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: List rulesIn a message dated 2/15/02 11:30:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, swans071(at)tc.umn.edu writes:>I will have to agree with you Al, and Jim Boyer. This list is a collection of people, some with experience, some just learning. Ray is in the just learning camp. I do believe he means well and has a very good sense of humor. I think we all need to lighten up and not get on our high horses. I think the Home Depot comments keep us all in the right frame of mind that this isn't an expensive high-dollar airplane. If I listened to some on this list, I'd have to buy EVER single part from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty. Not that that would be bad, but in some cases, this just isn't necessary. I think Ray has shown that he will test the material he is putting in the aircraft to make sure it does the job. I see no reason to be alarmed to the point of having him banned from the list. His opinions and ideas are just as welcome here as yours or mine, at least I hope SO !-dennis the menace________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Larry Neal

Original Posted By: Larry Neal