Original Posted By: "William Dearinger"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Liability InsuranceDear Pieters,I am being refused insurance because, they say, that the owner must be the pilot. Now ain't that a barrel of snakes. Think my age COULD be a factor? You can't believe anyone these days.On the serious side, if anyone can point me in the right direction for some liability insurance for 41CC I would appreciate it as I will definitely not let it leave the ground without it. The test pilot has ALL the ratings available with over 11k hrs. ThanksCorky in La mired in the administrative swamp________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Does anybody have any good recommendations for liability insurance on their Pietenpol?The State of Minnesota keeps sending Dale and me notices to get NX18235 registered and we need to get insurance.Any ideas?Also, first flight of the season took place yesterday evening after a 10 month lull to replace the fuel tank andmake a few other corrections.New fuel tank appears to be successful.The weather was perfect. No wind, no bumps, 80+ degrees and no other traffic in the pattern.Chris Bobka made a short flight and then he gave Dale his first ride.They landed and I climbed in. Throttled up and lifted off in within 300 feet. Climbed at 250 fpm and 40 mph. Went to a practice area 1 mile east of SYN and did a little slow flight, some turns and a stall. The stall required an unbelievably nose high attitude followed by a gentle buffet. Used rudder to keep the wings level and it was flying again as soon as I released the back pressure on the stick.Then it was time to try a landing. It was very pitch sensitive, even with the power off, resulting in some mild porpoising about 10' off the grass. I elected to go-around instead of trying to salvage the landing. I was ready for it the next time and touched down skid first followed by the mains. It tracks well on the ground with the skid and only takes a small burst of power to correct any tail swings. Roll out in 300 - 400 feet.The plane has a lot of drag allowing incredibly tight patterns. Power off abeam the threshold and it comes down like a brick, a very controllable brick. The controls feel solid all the way through the flare and touchdown.I put on 1.1 hours and got in 9 or 10 landings.It's a good feeling.......Greg________________________________________________________________________________
Does anybody have any good recommendations for liability insurance on their Pietenpol?The State of Minnesota keeps sending Dale and me notices to get NX18235 registered and we need to get insurance.Any ideas?Also, first flight of the season took place yesterday evening after a 10 month lull to replace the fuel tank andmake a few other corrections.New fuel tank appears to be successful.The weather was perfect. No wind, no bumps, 80+ degrees and no other traffic in the pattern.Chris Bobka made a short flight and then he gave Dale his first ride.They landed and I climbed in. Throttled up and lifted off in within 300 feet. Climbed at 250 fpm and 40 mph. Went to a practice area 1 mile east of SYN and did a little slow flight, some turns and a stall. The stall required an unbelievably nose high attitude followed by a gentle buffet. Used rudder to keep the wings level and it was flying again as soon as I released the back pressure on the stick.Then it was time to try a landing. It was very pitch sensitive, even with the power off, resulting in some mild porpoising about 10' off the grass. I elected to go-around instead of trying to salvage the landing. I was ready for it the next time and touched down skid first followed by the mains. It tracks well on the ground with the skid and only takes a small burst of power to correct any tail swings. Roll out in 300 - 400 feet.The plane has a lot of drag allowing incredibly tight patterns. Power off abeam the threshold and it comes down like a brick, a very controllable brick. The controls feel solid all the way through the flare and touchdown.I put on 1.1 hours and got in 9 or 10 landings.It's a good feeling.......Greg________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: Hans Vander Voort
Greg;I got my coverage for 41CC through Falcon Insurance. They are somehow affiliated with EAA, not that the insurance is cheap but at least they know and understand experimentals and know what a Pietenpol is. They were very fair and friendly with me.I have heard that there is another underwriter with good rates on these types of airplanes, but it is through the Antique Aircraft Association or some such thing and you have to be a member. I looked into it and didn't see much benefit for my buck so I didn't join.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Greg;I got my coverage for 41CC through Falcon Insurance. They are somehow affiliated with EAA, not that the insurance is cheap but at least they know and understand experimentals and know what a Pietenpol is. They were very fair and friendly with me.I have heard that there is another underwriter with good rates on these types of airplanes, but it is through the Antique Aircraft Association or some such thing and you have to be a member. I looked into it and didn't see much benefit for my buck so I didn't join.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: GCARDINAL(at)mn.rr.com
I found the promises made by EAA on the Falcon Insurance to be....mhh...less than advertisedWilliam Wynne promotes the same Falcon insurance for airplanes with Corvairconversions.I contacted Falcon insurance for a Liability only insurance and got thefollowing:Fly of your first 40 hours and then we will talk.No first flight insurance, not even considered.Corvair engine......car conversion??The other insurance company all have the same answer.It is just than Falcon seems to be promoted by the Experimental AviationAssociation with the promise of being more flexible towards homebuilds, NotSo.I fly currently without insurance, very carefully over open terrain only,so far I have been lucky.I have a perfect flying and driving record no violations.When I get my 40 hours done, I will try again for insurance.Hans________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:05:16 -0500
I found the promises made by EAA on the Falcon Insurance to be....mhh...less than advertisedWilliam Wynne promotes the same Falcon insurance for airplanes with Corvairconversions.I contacted Falcon insurance for a Liability only insurance and got thefollowing:Fly of your first 40 hours and then we will talk.No first flight insurance, not even considered.Corvair engine......car conversion??The other insurance company all have the same answer.It is just than Falcon seems to be promoted by the Experimental AviationAssociation with the promise of being more flexible towards homebuilds, NotSo.I fly currently without insurance, very carefully over open terrain only,so far I have been lucky.I have a perfect flying and driving record no violations.When I get my 40 hours done, I will try again for insurance.Hans________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:05:16 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: gcardinal
Good goin on the first solo Greg. On insurance, I just paid my renewal from AOPA. I have $9,000 hull and legal liability. Total premium $1216 per yr.If the weather cooperates, I am planning on coming down to Stanton next Sun for the fly in.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Good goin on the first solo Greg. On insurance, I just paid my renewal from AOPA. I have $9,000 hull and legal liability. Total premium $1216 per yr.If the weather cooperates, I am planning on coming down to Stanton next Sun for the fly in.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shielded cans for spark plugsGood morning Oscar,May I add a few dingies relative to Falcon and insurance in general. Edwin flew off the 25 required hours without insurance. I then rejoined EAA in order to buy from Falcon. A requirement. (Unconstitutional). They seemed soooooo nice on the phone and all until they got my money, about 450, then here come the buts. Must have the names, FAA ticket numbers, total time, last tail wheel check out date and other little things for their approval before policy is in effect. These named persons were on the policy and the only ones covered. Better check it out BEFORE you send your dough.If I had to do it again I would ignore the insurance snag and just fly and fly and fly like I used to do years ago. Those blood suckers are the ruinationof so many activities. They have the public in fear and sit on their _____s in big offices and just wait for those payments without any good old Americanlabor expended. Talk about our loss of freedom. I could but won't go on for hours talking about these leaches. I'm sure no one in the insurance industry is reading this because building a Pietenpol requires brains and hard work, something foreign to the insurance people.Your friend in Louisiana________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: shielded cans for spark plugsGood morning Oscar,May I add a few dingies relative to Falcon and insurance in general. Edwin flew off the 25 required hours without insurance. I then rejoined EAA in order to buy from Falcon. A requirement. (Unconstitutional). They seemed soooooo nice on the phone and all until they got my money, about 450, then here come the buts. Must have the names, FAA ticket numbers, total time, last tail wheel check out date and other little things for their approval before policy is in effect. These named persons were on the policy and the only ones covered. Better check it out BEFORE you send your dough.If I had to do it again I would ignore the insurance snag and just fly and fly and fly like I used to do years ago. Those blood suckers are the ruinationof so many activities. They have the public in fear and sit on their _____s in big offices and just wait for those payments without any good old Americanlabor expended. Talk about our loss of freedom. I could but won't go on for hours talking about these leaches. I'm sure no one in the insurance industry is reading this because building a Pietenpol requires brains and hard work, something foreign to the insurance people.Your friend in Louisiana________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
Hi Greg...Great to hear about your flight!! I'm sure you will really enjoy flying it! There'snothing quite like it. I got my insurance from Falcon. They have beengreat to work with. Coverage hasn't been a problem at all (I do have an A-65though). When I checked into it I didn't have any tailwheel time and they toldme I would need 10 hours first. My premium has been $400 for liabilty and$400 for non-movement damage coverage ( fire, flood, theft, etc.) per year. Theybase the non-movement damage on your receipts from building. So keep themall!! I had a hangar collapse at my last airport with minimal damage and I turnedit into Falcon insurance and they were really great to work with.Don E.NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Greg...Great to hear about your flight!! I'm sure you will really enjoy flying it! There'snothing quite like it. I got my insurance from Falcon. They have beengreat to work with. Coverage hasn't been a problem at all (I do have an A-65though). When I checked into it I didn't have any tailwheel time and they toldme I would need 10 hours first. My premium has been $400 for liabilty and$400 for non-movement damage coverage ( fire, flood, theft, etc.) per year. Theybase the non-movement damage on your receipts from building. So keep themall!! I had a hangar collapse at my last airport with minimal damage and I turnedit into Falcon insurance and they were really great to work with.Don E.NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Liability insurance premiums through Falcon seems to vary greatly. Anywhere from $400 up to $800.Anyone have a guess as to why the difference?Greg----- Original Message -----
Liability insurance premiums through Falcon seems to vary greatly. Anywhere from $400 up to $800.Anyone have a guess as to why the difference?Greg----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability Insurance
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability InsuranceIn a message dated 6/10/2006 4:23:29 PM Central Standard Time, gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com writes:Liability insurance premiums through Falcon seems to vary greatly. Anywhere from $400 up to $800.Anyone have a guess as to why the difference?GregHey Greg,Congrats on your flight !! Let the fun begin !!I have Avemco, and my Annual Premium is $594. I waited till after I had the 40 hr test period over, and then some, before I even called about insurance.100,000 bodily injury per person1,000,000 property damage1,000,000 each accidentChuck G.NX770CGsee y'all at Brodhead !!________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Liability InsuranceIn a message dated 6/10/2006 4:23:29 PM Central Standard Time, gcardinal(at)mn.rr.com writes:Liability insurance premiums through Falcon seems to vary greatly. Anywhere from $400 up to $800.Anyone have a guess as to why the difference?GregHey Greg,Congrats on your flight !! Let the fun begin !!I have Avemco, and my Annual Premium is $594. I waited till after I had the 40 hr test period over, and then some, before I even called about insurance.100,000 bodily injury per person1,000,000 property damage1,000,000 each accidentChuck G.NX770CGsee y'all at Brodhead !!________________________________________________________________________________