Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: del magsam
I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy whotold me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables.he sends me an email today saying" I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I haverestoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after twoyears work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and lesstime on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explativedeleted) are you?"Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I dospend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating myconstruction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with youfolks on this list.I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual wholikes to share with others.I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet in2 years.I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this maygenerate.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:05:08 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: del magsam

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Never heard of him, but who cares. Your work is great and your concerns arevalid. Ask him if he has any friends who died in a plane crash because theyjust were not worried about structural parts failing.Frankly, I am VERY surprised that AS&S will not take them back. That is theBIG Company mentality for you.-Gary-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "del magsam"
yeah... you know what... you are right. my delete key will get some usefrom this guy.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "John Ford"
DJ, Ignore him---I for one like what your doing and spend quite a bit of time at your web site.Jim D.>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moron>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 07:33:25 -0700>>>I'm really ticked at this John Ficklen character on this list. the guy who>told me to "get a life" because I was worried about my AS&S cables.>>he sends me an email today saying>>" I'm a prominent aviation artist, model builder, and historian. I have>restoried several antique airplanes and my Piet will fly in Dec. after two>years work. If you spent more time in your shop with Tony B's books and >less>time on the computer you would probably get more done. Who the (explative>deleted) are you?">>Who is he to judge me on how fast I build my project? And yes.... I do>spend alot of time on the computer.... I spend hours updating my>construction/pictures log online. I spend hours discussing issues with you>folks on this list.>>I guess I just consider myself an involved Piet community individual who>likes to share with others.>>I'm sorry Mr. Ficklen that I'm not a recluse like you who finished a Piet >in>2 years.>>I hope you read this Johhny boy and I hope you read any replies this may>generate.>>DJ Vegh>N74DV>Mesa, AZ>www.imagedv.com/aircamper>>Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:30:46 -0500

Original Posted By: "Cy Galley"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: John Ficklen - this guys a moronMe too! It's a disgrace to have someone like that sully an otherwise friendly exchange. I hope we never fall into the rut of strong language and disrespect. From what I've seen, that's very unlikely EXCEPT for this one individual.Carl V.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: dpilot [mailto:dpilot(at)yahoo.com]
So Jim, tell us about the #7 wood screws holding the tail on your plane...By the way, how do you feel about jury struts?-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Hubbard, Eugene"
Don't know about Jim, but I used #8 brass screws ( guess the #7 went out inthe '30's). and I did put on jury struts.And I'll be in the skys tomorrow early AM.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: del magsam

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jury struts are required to prevent failure of the main struts when innegative "G". Normally the struts are in tension but if you subject theaircraft to negative "G" by flying inverted or by penetrating turbulent airthe struts are in compression and can cripple (bend). A stress analysis wasperformed by a mechanical engineer once that I remember which concluded thatwithout the jury struts the main struts would fail at about -1 G. This isless than required for certified aircraft and not terribly safe.Bob-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "dpilot"
that's not why you have jury struts...Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "dpilot"
that's not why you have jury struts...Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "dpilot"
that's not why you have jury struts...Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "dpilot"
that's not why you have jury struts...Chris Bobka----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: ""

Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Jury struts are to prevent the struts from setting up a harmonic vibrationwhich would break the end fittings, not to allow negative G flight. Theyare usually an odd distance from the ends (not 1/2 or 1/4 way) to preventsuch vibrations from getting started.Gene----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jury struts ARE intended to prevent buckling of the main lift struts undernegative G. You are right that they should NOT be in the middle of the liftstrut , which would be a stationary node during vibration. This way theyalso tend to reduce vibration in the struts, but the primary purpose is toprevent buckling of the lift struts when they are in compresion, which theywould be under negative G conditions.Jack -----Original Message-----