Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
I dont recall seeing past discussion on insurance rates for the Piet. I just gota qoute from AOPA with a $14,000 value for $1550. Is this comparable to others?AOPA says they have had very few quotes done for the Piet.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 22:02:40 -0500

Original Posted By: Michael Fisher
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceAny idea what the cost would be for liablility only insurance for that?I dont recall seeing past discussion on insurance rates for the Piet. I just got a qoute from AOPA with a $14,000 value for $1550. Is this comparable to others? AOPA says they have had very few quotes done for the Piet.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 10:25:52 -0900

Original Posted By: KTS5TA6(at)wmconnect.com
Well, I'm back from 35th anniversary vacation trip to Tahiti! Signed back onto the list and hope I didn't miss too much during the last 10 days or so.Mike wrote->I have just finished having my GN-1 inspected and ready to fly.>Question is, after two years of inactivity and no insurance, who do you >guys>use for insurance coverage?>Previous, I used Butler-Brown and paid around $700 for liability>and $10,000 full-hull coverage. I am now awaiting a quote. I would be >interested in finding out what other companies insure>the PIET and what present day premiums can be expected.Well, of course you know you're not insuring a Pietenpol... you're insuring a Grega! But that aside, I just got insurance on NX41CC through Falcon, the EAA underwriter (also headquartered in Texas). Liability alone is $600/year and adding hull coverage of $15,000 doubles the premium to about $1200/yr. but I'm not a high-time pilot (under 500 hrs.) and have zero Piet time. Plenty of tailwheel time, but they want time in type, I guess.Interestingly, the agent told me that they are required to inform me that there is an additional premium if I want to include coverage if my airplane is used for terroristic acts (I declined the coverage). I almost fell out of my chair laughing (and so did he), especially since my ferry pilot Charlie had just told me about the ferry flight from Shreveport, LA to Zapata, TX with GPS groundspeeds sometimes around 35 MPH and having farm implements on the ground passing him up. Picture a Piet zooming through tightly-guarded TFR airspace, with the pilot determined to get to the President and Secretary of Defense, flour bomb (or toilet paper roll) in hand, ready to drop...Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceOscar, you have underestimated the power of the mighty Pietenpol. A friend of mine successfully dropped adobe bricks (albeit one per flight) from his Pietenpol onto fire ant mounds. Never did any damage to the fire ants, but madethem mighty mad.Plata ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Mike King"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceOscar,Happy your back. Poor ole Charlie didn't tell me how long it took him from Bryan to Zapata but when I called him he had been on the ground only 5 minutesand it was near dark in Louisiana. Hope you enjoy 41CC.Corky and Isabelle________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,Congratulations on getting your plane delivered to Texas. By the way, I did get my Grega insured through Butler-BrownInsurance. Their underwriter is in Addison, Texas, just a fewblocks from my office near the Addison airport. Well anyway, liability was quoted at $350.00 and for liabilityAND full hull coverage at $10,000 brought the total to $560.00for the year. Needless to say, I jumped on it last Friday so theplane is now fully insured for less than $600.00. Let's try to get the PIETs and GN-1s of Texas for a get togetherwhile it is still only 100 degrees.Take care.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, Texas-----Original Message-----

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Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
I had the same experience with Falcon as Corky has related... all the appropriate info needed for each listed pilot, then they quoted the rate and only insured the plane with the listed insured pilots. I just had myself and Charlie insured; we both have plenty of tailwheel time. My first year's insurance expired long ago and I've not renewed it since the airplane is not flyable at the moment, but long hours thinking about it have led me to the same conclusion Corky arrived at... no insurance. I'm going barefoot from now on.The only hesitancy I have is based on discussions I've seen on lists like these where people say it's selfish, evil, and criminal (well, not really) for the operator of an experimental aircraft to not carry at least liability insurance, to protect the public and others from the operator's acts. After all, it isn't the fault of someone in a house on the ground if a plane crashes into their house, and the pilot/owner should at least have liability insurance.Just like I don't think I'll ever go back to try to get my instrument ticket again, I don't think I'll ever get insurance. Just a little low, slow, no radio, no electrics flying. So shoot me.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:08:36 -0700

Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceOscar,I too, am fed up with blood-sucking insurance companies. After dutifully paying premiums for umpteen years it comes time for them to uphold their end of the bargain, its like pulling teeth to get them to pay off. I am very tired of working working working just to pay pay pay. I think I am going to goalong with you and just take my chances and be self-insured. I don't have that much to take so come and get it. Bring the truck and I'll even help loadit up. Dan H________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Tim Willis
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about loosing much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about stupid lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to carry a blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That blanket policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:47:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

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Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice (my two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood aeroplanes. If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd worry about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for my license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that often?Gordon----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Tim Verthein
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceAmen Harvey, I am with you. If you DON"T have insurance they probably won't sue you anyway because there is no easy money to be had. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:35:45 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD AT SCENE.Something to think about.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:43:33 -0600

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
I had coverage before making my first flight.dick ----- Original Message -----

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Pieters,I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....butmine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75.I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch prop,I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into a fellow at Sunn' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch 72 x 38, but you can'tdirectly compare different manufacturers. He said it pulled 2550-2600 climbingout, so it was definitely a climb prop.If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos. It'snot perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks on theepoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is still a beautifulprop.Regards,Dave MordecaiNX520SFPanacea, FLkmordecai001(at)comcast.netPieters, I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....butmine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tightA-75. I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitchprop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40  would be about right.  I ran intoa fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He saidit pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop. If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos. It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nickson the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but isstill a beautiful prop. Regards,Dave MordecaiNX520SFPanacea, FLkmordecai001(at)comcast.net   ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insuranceDate: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:50:53 -0400

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Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Hi All, just wondering how many have ever been ramp checked?Gene________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Hi everyone!Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and I'vebeen building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!). In fact,there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair engine in ChetPeek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this list for a long timeand have learnt a lot just by following along, but this is my first post.The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the USAnext month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a car race,I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I might try toplan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up from Chicago tolook at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for a look at Brodhead?I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but I've heard there are alot of interesting aeroplanes based there?Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any othersuggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would appreciate anyguidance.Thanks a lot. This plain text message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl - www.blackspider.comIf you are not the intended recipient it may be unlawful for you to read, copy,distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail; pleasereturn the e-mail to the sender and immediately permanently delete it and anyattachments. The sender does not accept liability for any data corruption, interceptionor unauthorised amendment to which e-mail may be susceptible, or theconsequences thereof. Opinions and other information in this message that donot relate to the official business of AP Racing Ltd are neither given nor endorsedby it.Whilst AP Racing Ltd take reasonable care to ensure that any attachment to thise-mail does not contain software viruses, this cannot be guaranteed and you shouldtherefore carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.AP Racing Ltd accepts no responsibility or liability for any damage that you sufferas a result of software viruses.Visit to the USAHi everyone!Let me introduce myself, my name is Steve Bryan, I live in the UK and I've been building a Pietenpol for nine years now (I'm a slow worker!). In fact, there's even a picture of me and some mates with my Corvair engine in Chet Peek's 'Pietenpol Story'! I've been 'lurking' on this list for a long time and have learnt a lot just by following along, but this is my first post.The reason that I'm finally posting is because I'm going to be in the USA next month for the Formula One Grand Prix at Indianapolis (it's a car race, I work on brakes and clutches for the cars) and I thought I might try to plan a little Pietenpol tourism! I thought I could drive up from Chicago to look at the EAA museum at Oshkosh and maybe call in for a look at Brodhead? I know there won't be any fly-in taking place, but I've heard there are a lot of interesting aeroplanes based there?Does this plan sound feasible in the couple of days I will have? Any other suggestions for places to visit in the vicinity? I would appreciate any guidance.Thanks a lot.  This HTML message has been scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControlIf you are not the intended recipient it may be unlawful for you to read, copy, distribute, disclose or otherwise use the information in this e-mail; please return the e-mail to the sender and immediately permanently delete it and any attachments. The sender does not accept liability for any data corruption, interception or unauthorised amendment to which e-mail may be susceptible, or the consequences thereof.Opinions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of AP Racing Ltd are neither given nor endorsed by it.Whilst AP Racing Ltd take reasonable care to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail does not contain software viruses, this cannot be guaranteed and you should therefore carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.AP Racing Ltd accepts no responsibility or liability for any damage that you suffer as a result of software viruses. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insuranceDate: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:04:30 -0400

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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: insuranceI may have missed some of the posts in this thread but my 2 cents worth on insurance. I took out a policy with Avemco a number of years ago covering my Piet under construction. Before I got the engine overhauled, I estimated that I had about $8000 in the project, and the annual premium for that, for not-in-motion coverage only was about $200 a year. Not to bad for some peace of mind in case the shop burned up. Now that I'm close to getting the bird ready to fly, I checked with Avemco about covering it in flight. They would not cover the initial 40 hour test period.. so it's pretty worthless. AUA Insurance would write a policy covering hull and liability from the first flight, at a premium I thought fair.Need to say that I've insured my Bellanca with AUA for a number of years, so I'm not unknown to them.Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: insuranceI've insured both my Corby Starlet (sold 3 years ago) and Pietenpol thru these good people. Talk with Pam.I only carry liability.Mike C.http://www.aircraftinsurance.net/______ ... __________

Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insuranceIsn't reporting damage that did not occur considered Insurance Fraud? I believe that's punishable by imprisonment. Mike before you go to prison, I'll give you 50 bucks for the Piet.John In a message dated 4/1/2010 1:35:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:I=99ve insured both my Corby Starlet (sold 3 years ago) and Pietenpol thru these good people. Talk with Pam. I only carry liability. Mike C. _http://www.aircraftinsurance.net/_ (http://www.aircraftinsurance.net/) ====================================(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ========================================================================(http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ====================================________________________________________________________________________________