Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Accident reportsIn a message dated 11/4/03 11:20:21 AM Central Standard Time, Carbarvo(at)aol.com writes:>Carl,The FAA / NTSB require a report to be filed when extensive damage has occured, or an injury has occured. The failure of a wire wheel / ground loop,probably wouldn't end up being reported. I'm sure there are plenty of incidents,even off field landings, that are not reported. However, I'll be sure to sendyou my report when I get it done. I've had to scroll through the NTSB file, month by month, because I couldn't get the site to bring anything up when I tried to use 'Pietenpol' as the key word. Very time consuming.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"

Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Accident reportsThanks for your efforts, Mark. One thing puzzles me. There are two crashes (both nonfatal, thank goodness) that don't show up. One is that of Wm. Wynne inN1777W on 7/14/01 and the other is a crash involving major damage to N63SB, (resulting from loss of power due to loss of oil) flown by Jimmy Davenport sometime in 1993. I have a feeling that the reporting of these incidents may be"spotty". What do you think? Carl Vought________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
Did mine in a 10x20ft basement complete with an angled "cellar" door.That's half the fun, to figure how to fit all the stuff.Jim Malley ( on this group) started his in a second story appartment insomewhere like Jersey City. When he moved to larger quarters, ( as thestory goes in Kitplanes) They passed the wings etc. out the front window tothe sidewalk.Where there is a will there IS a way.walt evansNX140DL----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Steve Eldredge"

Original Posted By: "Michael Fisher"
There are a few Ford Escorts being used in Pietenpols. It began with the 1.9liter engine installed by Ed Lubitz in the early 80's. His design did notinvert the engine; using a belt reduction gear and a lower bed mount placedthe thrust line at the same level as the Ford A. Its predecessor, the 1.6Fiesta, has proven reliable as well. Prop tops out at about 2000 rpm andfuel at about 2.75 gph. Scouts are more rare than Aircampers - guess most ofus like to share the fun.Jim Malley----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Doc Mosher

Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"
My project is in the final phase. I've always wanted to use a Ford, and even haveone being worked on as I write.However, now that the "reality" is looking me in the face I am having second thoughtsabout the reliability factor. From what I've read, it would "appear" thata large majority of Ford flyers have experienced forced landings, which whileusually fine out here in the midwest, isn't something I'd like to have toplan on.I'd like any feedback/opinions on this subject. And, if I did decide to go theContinental route, where is the best place to start looking, or are there shopsout there selling yellowtagged units?Douwedouweblumberg(at)earthlink.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Accident reportsDate: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:22:24 -0500

Original Posted By: "Hodgson, Mark O"

Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Carl writes->One thing puzzles me. There are two crashes (both>nonfatal, thank goodness) that don't show up. One is>that of Wm. Wynne in N1777W on 7/14/01Good question! Several things may complicate the search for this one. One thing right away is that the NTSB lists it as a "Pitenpol Aircamper 1933" (see http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_i ... 1467&key=1 and it's NTSB file MIA01LA186). Another is that William was not the pilot; he was the passenger. And so it goes-! The search engine is extremely precise, and if you have one little thing off in your search, it won't "hit". Another thing to watch for is that many folks call their airplanes "Smith Air Camper" or "Jones Aircamper" or "Frankenstein GN-1", or something else other than including "Pietenpol". You'd almost have to weed through all the NTSB reports with finer and finer search criteria, one by one, till you found the majority of possibles that you're looking for. For one thing, the NTSB database only goes back to 1962 and the Piet goes way further than that. I suppose you can rule out a bunch of possibles by searching only on experimentals. Then on single engine. Then... well, you get the idea.And BTW- any of you who have met John Dilatush (turbo Subaru Piet) are probably as amazed as I am to learn that he's in his mid 70's. The man is greatly understated as to his abilities and capabilities! (But we all know what his bladder capacity is, now that we heard his "gotta land" stories).Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.netGreat deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:
If a search is conducted for "Pietenpol", it will get all the Pietenpols. Itwill not get any "Aircampers" or "Davis Pietenpol" or "Big Piet". The searchonly looks for the registered name of the aircraft. Unfortunately a lot ofbuilders register their planes with their names, so it makes searches almostimpossible. William Wynne's might have bed registered as a "PietenpolAircamper" therefore it would be excluded from the search. ps: I don't knowhow his Piet was listed, just using his for an example.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Carbarvo(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Accident reportsHi Mark.............I hope you didn't think I was being critical....just curious. Later emails have exposed my naivete' about using the data base. It'sapparently difficult to extract the exact information one wants. My reasons forbeing interested revolve around the use of motorcycle wheels on Piets. I have written an article which I hope appears in the BPA Newsletter. I'm asking readers to let me know of incidents involving wheel failure on Piets equipped withMotorcycle wheels. New subject: There's a gentleman named Lee Hodgson who markets plans for engine models designed by his father who's name I believe was Don. The elder Hodgson was a big-time engineer/manager at Chance Vought Aircraft and was the Project Manager on the design from which the Zero was derived. Any connection???Carl V.________________________________________________________________________________