Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materials Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of this projectbut I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materials that they wouldbe willing to share? Something I can uses to do my cost estimates with, and locatevendors. It doesn't matter about the format, just something that will tellme how much of each size and type material I need in wood and metal, now especiallythe metal part as I may be close to the metal acquisition phase as soonas tomorrow afternoon. I realize its rather short notice, but I figured withthe collective wisdom of the group and the opportunity presenting itself toget metal in the next day or two I would at least ask.Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail the better. If yagot anything that's close you are willing to share it would be greatly appreciated!ThanksJohn-----Original Message-----A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eye bolts to attachcontrol surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpol design. Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in the tailfeathersare nothing to fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsI'd be interested in a bill of materials also. I haven't bought plans. I guess the bill of materials is included with plans, or not?________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsYou don't need to beat this particular horse - it's been beat to deathmany times before. There is no definitive list because every Pietenpolis different. For example, mine uses wire wheels and a straight axle,so if you're building an "Improved" Pietenpol with the split axle gear,mine wouldn't help you. Likewise, my 25" wide fuselage would have youorder too much plywood if you are building yours to the plans, but usedmy list of materials. Of course, it is possible that you are buildingyours exactly to the plans with no modifications, and there just mightbe another Pietenpol out there built exactly to the plans, but I doubtit. I've never seen any two Pietenpols that were even close to beingidentical. Mike Cuy's and mine are pretty close - both have A65Continentals and wire wheels with straight axles, and piano hinges onthe ailerons, but then his is a short fuselage, mine is a long, mine is1" wider than plans, his has mechanical brakes, mine are hydraulic, hisuses curved windscreens, mine are 3-pane flat - the list of differencesgoes on and on.One of the joys of building a Pietenpol is that you get to do everysingle step of the creative process, and have to think. Pity thekitbuilder - someone else got to do all the thinking and he is notallowed to think. He is not a builder, but merely an assembler.Jack PhillipsRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Ofamsafetyc(at)aol.comSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:51 PM Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of thisproject but I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materialsthat they would be willing to share? Something I can uses to do my costestimates with, and locate vendors. It doesn't matter about the format,just something that will tell me how much of each size and type materialI need in wood and metal, now especially the metal part as I may beclose to the metal acquisition phase as soon as tomorrow afternoon. Irealize its rather short notice, but I figured with the collectivewisdom of the group and the opportunity presenting itself to get metalin the next day or two I would at least ask.Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail thebetter. If ya got anything that's close you are willing to share itwould be greatly appreciated!ThanksJohn-----Original Message----- A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eyebolts to attach control surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpoldesign. Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in thetailfeathers are nothing to fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story. Mike C. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsJack thanks for your reply, actually I intend to go wider and 25" does sound attractive,I am not a small guy and intended on down loading info from the archivesabout stretch and widen, so we may be close pretty close. I am trying tonot reinvent the wheel or the peit for that matter, but moreover extract the currentwisdom for my own speed and design purposes. Which is the reason I am lookingfor in the bill of materials. It will save a great deal of time ratherthan studying the drawings and listing each piece to come up with the gross numbers.The metal opportunity is at hand and I would like to take full advantage of theopportunity as it available. I typically like to get the research done and designa plan of attack prior to beginning any project, especially one this complex.ThanksJohn -----Original Message-----You don't need to beat this particular horse - it's been beat to deathmany times before. There is no definitive list because every Pietenpolis different. For example, mine uses wire wheels and a straight axle,so if you're building an "Improved" Pietenpol with the split axle gear,mine wouldn't help you. Likewise, my 25" wide fuselage would have youorder too much plywood if you are building yours to the plans, but usedmy list of materials. Of course, it is possible that you are buildingyours exactly to the plans with no modifications, and there just mightbe another Pietenpol out there built exactly to the plans, but I doubtit. I've never seen any two Pietenpols that were even close to beingidentical. Mike Cuy's and mine are pretty close - both have A65Continentals and wire wheels with straight axles, and piano hinges onthe ailerons, but then his is a short fuselage, mine is a long, mine is1" wider than plans, his has mechanical brakes, mine are hydraulic, hisuses curved windscreens, mine are 3-pane flat - the list of differencesgoes on and on.One of the joys of building a Pietenpol is that you get to do everysingle step of the creative process, and have to think. Pity thekitbuilder - someone else got to do all the thinking and he is notallowed to think. He is not a builder, but merely an assembler.Jack PhillipsRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Ofamsafetyc(at)aol.comSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:51 PM Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of thisproject but I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materialsthat they would be willing to share? Something I can uses to do my costestimates with, and locate vendors. It doesn't matter about the format,just something that will tell me how much of each size and type materialI need in wood and metal, now especially the metal part as I may beclose to the metal acquisition phase as soon as tomorrow afternoon. Irealize its rather short notice, but I figured with the collectivewisdom of the group and the opportunity presenting itself to get metalin the next day or two I would at least ask.Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail thebetter. If ya got anything that's close you are willing to share itwould be greatly appreciated!ThanksJohn-----Original Message----- A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eyebolts to attach control surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpoldesign. Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in thetailfeathers are nothing to fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story. Mike C. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsJack's post is very realistic in regards to compiling a bill of materials for a Pietenpol or GN-1.When ordering my wood I simply got out the plans, went over them slowly and noted the size and lengthsI would need for each component of my plane, for example the wing type (3 pce) and called Wicks andordered it. They brought my wood load to Oshkosh where I picked it up from their truck and trucked it homeatop our vehicle to save trucking costs.Steel is another matter--wether you buy strips or bulk sheets and have it sheared.Most of the fittings are either .060" or .090" 4130 with a few odd thicknesses here and thereand a smattering of tubing sizes.An acquaintance once owned an AN hardware business and wanted to put together a hardware kit for a Pietand it really is an act of futility as we all build slightly different, use different ideas, gear types, wing configurations, enginetypes, cable sizes for brace cables, big or small, and big or small turn buckles.If this was an RV kit I could see a very nice hardware kit coming along, but this whole thing is scratch thought out and built.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsNope, no bill of materials, just a cost sheet of what it cost Bernie to buy theparts on the list when he built his. No real listing of specs and quantitiesof each material that one could without study of the prints. At least none thatI was able to comprehend.John -----Original Message-----I'd be interested in a bill of materials also. I haven't bought plans. I guess the bill of materials is included with plans, or not?________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsJohn,I have a list of the material I used for my Piet athttp://www.cpc-world.com.Check under Services & Suppliers > Material Lists.As noted in previous emails on this thread, this is what I used for my Piet,yours may be different. It should however give you a good guide for costingetc.CheersPeterWonthaggi, Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Ofamsafetyc(at)aol.comSent: Thursday, 22 June 2006 4:51 AM Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of thisproject but I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materials thatthey would be willing to share? Something I can uses to do my cost estimateswith, and locate vendors. It doesn't matter about the format, just somethingthat will tell me how much of each size and type material I need in woodand metal, now especially the metal part as I may be close to the metalacquisition phase as soon as tomorrow afternoon. I realize its rather shortnotice, but I figured with the collective wisdom of the group and theopportunity presenting itself to get metal in the next day or two I would atleast ask.Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail the better. Ifya got anything that's close you are willing to share it would be greatlyappreciated!ThanksJohn-----Original Message----- A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eye boltsto attach control surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpol design. Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in thetailfeathers are nothing to fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________-- -- ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:Mike,Funny, you must have the same gene for humor as me (or vice versa) You seam to pick up on the same stuff.I was on a first name basis with the UPS driver, who would come down to the basement whenever I didn't answer the door. He followed my project to about 2/3 done. Now the next guy took over, and a couple years later is still around.walt evansNX140DL"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"Ben Franklin----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:30 PM>>> Funny thing about the Piet is that you just don't place one order for > materials. You will be on a first name>> basis with the people at Wicks, your hardware source, your fabric and > finishing source, and your UPS man or woman in short>> order while building a scratch-built plane.>> Mike C.>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://wiki.matronics.com>>> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bill of materialsHere is a copy of the Piet wood kit that AC sells, may help you a little.Does not include capstrip or plywood. The kit was $800 when I bought mine.The kit included everything I needed for a long fuselage Piet. Of course youwill need some extra pieces if you widen the fuselage as I did (2").Rick HOn 6/21/06, amsafetyc(at)aol.com wrote:>>> Again, and not to beat a dead horse as far as the research part of this> project but I need to ask. Does anyone have a good bill of materials that> they would be willing to share? Something I can uses to do my cost estimates> with, and locate vendors. It doesn't matter about the format, just something> that will tell me how much of each size and type material I need in wood> and metal, now especially the metal part as I may be close to the metal> acquisition phase as soon as tomorrow afternoon. I realize its rather short> notice, but I figured with the collective wisdom of the group and the> opportunity presenting itself to get metal in the next day or two I would at> least ask.>> Any basic listing would be helpful, naturally the more detail the better.> If ya got anything that's close you are willing to share it would be greatly> appreciated!>> Thanks>> John>> -----Original Message----->>> Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov>>> A note of observation here is that the GN-1 design uses opposing eye bolts> to attach control>> surfaces and the gaps are quite large compared with the Pietenpol design.>> Both designs need some sort of aileron seals but the Piet gaps in the> tailfeathers are nothing to>> fuss about.....the GN-1 is another story.>> Mike C.>>> ________________________________________________________________________>>-- Rick Holland"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/9dc ... __________