Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Kirk, Bruce"
What kind of engine did Jack phillips use to get that poor performance? I am building the long f uselage and 2 inches wider with a corvair engine. I don't expect it to be a rocket, but it should do better than he described. I have a cessna 140 with a C90 and with 1450 max gross it climbs at 600fpm. Gardiner Mason________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
When I built my Pietenpol, I couldn't find White Ash of the quality and size I needed. My fellow teacher, who was a real expert on woods, suggested either Birch or Oak as suitable substitutes. I opted for Oak because it was less prone to rotting. Birch tends to stain and rot rather easily, but is really strong (illustrated by its use in wooden propellers). Oak was used for centuries in wooden ships and it is strong! The two Oak cross pieces on the floor of my Pietenpol are as sound as they were when I installed them over 36 years ago. Of course, they were well-protected by several coats of urethane varnish and the a/c has been hangared most of its life. My ol' Piet has literally thousands of takeoffs and landings from really rough fields, and I think a steel fitting would have broken long before the Oak crosspieces suffered any damage.White Ash is the preferred wood for this application, but in my experience Oak is a reasonable substitute. Do not, however, use Poplar or Aspen for these members (I have used it for violin backs and it is nice to carve, but it cannot compete with Ash, Oak or Birch for strength). Whatever wood you use, always use the selection criteria for aircraft quality wood.Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN in chilly Alberta) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietDate: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 17:38:35 -0500

Original Posted By: "Graham and Robyn"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietJack,What wall thickness was your straight axle? You mentioned a weight of 20 lbs, so I went out to my hangar and weighed mine (a full 72" long at this pointbefore trimming) and it was only about 10 lbs. The thickness on mine is .120 I believe. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: you don't need a firewallIn a message dated 11/28/2006 12:05:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov writes:On a Breezy........That was funny, Mike.Do not archive________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietDate: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:55:17 -0500

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietIn a message dated 11/28/2006 12:18:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:I certainly would not paint another one with Aerothane - that paint is VERY heavy. What would you use, Jack? I was planning to use Aerothane on mine. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietDate: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:58:52 -0500

Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
MessageJack,Let's hear the story about you trying to run down a pickup with your Piet.Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Gene Hubbard

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Just to compare.My Pietenpol, long fuse with a Corvair, split landing gear, three piecewing and poly fiber covering weights empty at 680 Lbs.No deviations from the plans other than longer Cabane struts (2 inch),center section cut out (no flop) and piano hinge aileronsThat makes it only 4 Lbs heavier than Roman's steel tube fuselage with asimilar setup.Oh....and I have an electric starter and battery on board.HansNX15KV________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietDate: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:45:11 -0500

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Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

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Original Posted By: "Roman Bukolt"
MessageJack,Did you ever figure out the problem with the engine?Also, as a side note, do you know how a person can bend angles into Lexan? N502R has windshilds made from tinted Lexan. I need to remake them in clear, as looking thru two tinted windshilds (one in front of the other) makes it hard to see things like towers and wires on a cloudy day. Rather than being rounded, my windshilds are straight in the middle with the sides at about 45 degrees.ThanksGene _________________________________________________This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - Nhref="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.comhref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listectric.com">www.buildersbooks.comog.combuilthelp.com..matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_________________________________________________This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: heavy pietIn a message dated 11/29/2006 3:10:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:By the time I got the plane rebuilt and was ready to re-shoot thephotos, Private Pilot was no longer in business. The author/photographer that was doingthe story now writes freelance for AOPA Pilot. He's trying to get some interest there for the story, but they are much less interested in homebuilts.JackAnd what was the story on the engine?________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:24:46 -0800

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"