Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources. I really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up some good deals.For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any comments?http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines
Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A received
Original Posted By: "glich7(at)juno.com"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedRick,Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.Original run-out from Ebay $100Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie IL 2,700Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken Perkins 900Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.) 70Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for sale) ?Cost of two slick mags, new (approx) 1200Cost of ignition harnesses and plugs ?Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts 300This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedRick,Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.Original run-out from Ebay $100Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie IL 2,700Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken Perkins 900Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.) 70Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for sale) ?Cost of two slick mags, new (approx) 1200Cost of ignition harnesses and plugs ?Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts 300This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project
Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed ProjectAll, I would agree that it's a good idea to check ahead of time to see about insurance requirements, as others have said. At least two years ago, a reply in the open-email section of WW's site a response explained that he had talked with Bob Mackey(?) at Falcon in order to arrange for builders to insure their corvair powered planes through Falcon. I know he said that they can get slightly better rates for engines built entirely by his shop, but also that owner-built engines, especially those with his seal of approval, so to speak, could be insured with only a hoop or two to jump through. As others have said, things change, but I would think that it would be easier, not harder, to obtain insurance for the combination as more engines go into service, but it may not be such a linear relation. As for the experience requirements, I would obviously suggest that you get the tailwheel endorsement and an extra hour or five in whatever you use for your training, before even bothering with the insurance. If you can get some time in a similar plane, or even a few hours in type from a friendly pietenpoler near you, it would drastically improve your chances of a stress-free insurance experience.As for me, the current plan is to get my tailwheel endorsement from the folks at Red Stewart Field, in SW ohio. (there's no rush, I'm a ways from a completed plane for now.) I then hope to get several more hours in a few other taildraggers they rent there (they even have a Stearman, and I think something like a pitts) to further prepare for flying the piet. By this time I would probably be at or over the requirements for experience for tail-time, that one post suggested. The last part is a personal choice and I am by no means recommending this last part.. Assuming I and at LEAST someone else (probably a flight advisor) thinks I am qualified at this point, I will complete the 40 hour test program, or however long it takes to fix any bugs, and THEN look into getting liability insurance, keeping up with regular inquiries about what their current requirements are, between now and then. If I can't get a tolerable rate with the 40+ hrs in type, around 55-60 tail hours, and roughly 200 total hours (estimated) that I should have by that time, then I'll figure things from there. Basically all I'm saying is, don't let what one rep, or whoever said something in the past keep you from using a particular engine. If you are happy with an A65 or Model A based on the ENGINE itself, then by all means mount it and fly happy. But the day I let an insurance salesman tell ME which engine I WANT to use is the day I ruefully find a new hobby. If I let them tell me how to build and fly based on their tolerance for (perceived) unknown risk, I would never get off the ground. Okay I'll put my soapbox away now, ignore or use this as you see fit.Tim Hansen in "Windy, Oh look it's the SUN, How about that!" Ohio ________________________________________________________________________FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.comClick HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again!http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=h ... ______Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:33:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed ProjectAll, I would agree that it's a good idea to check ahead of time to see about insurance requirements, as others have said. At least two years ago, a reply in the open-email section of WW's site a response explained that he had talked with Bob Mackey(?) at Falcon in order to arrange for builders to insure their corvair powered planes through Falcon. I know he said that they can get slightly better rates for engines built entirely by his shop, but also that owner-built engines, especially those with his seal of approval, so to speak, could be insured with only a hoop or two to jump through. As others have said, things change, but I would think that it would be easier, not harder, to obtain insurance for the combination as more engines go into service, but it may not be such a linear relation. As for the experience requirements, I would obviously suggest that you get the tailwheel endorsement and an extra hour or five in whatever you use for your training, before even bothering with the insurance. If you can get some time in a similar plane, or even a few hours in type from a friendly pietenpoler near you, it would drastically improve your chances of a stress-free insurance experience.As for me, the current plan is to get my tailwheel endorsement from the folks at Red Stewart Field, in SW ohio. (there's no rush, I'm a ways from a completed plane for now.) I then hope to get several more hours in a few other taildraggers they rent there (they even have a Stearman, and I think something like a pitts) to further prepare for flying the piet. By this time I would probably be at or over the requirements for experience for tail-time, that one post suggested. The last part is a personal choice and I am by no means recommending this last part.. Assuming I and at LEAST someone else (probably a flight advisor) thinks I am qualified at this point, I will complete the 40 hour test program, or however long it takes to fix any bugs, and THEN look into getting liability insurance, keeping up with regular inquiries about what their current requirements are, between now and then. If I can't get a tolerable rate with the 40+ hrs in type, around 55-60 tail hours, and roughly 200 total hours (estimated) that I should have by that time, then I'll figure things from there. Basically all I'm saying is, don't let what one rep, or whoever said something in the past keep you from using a particular engine. If you are happy with an A65 or Model A based on the ENGINE itself, then by all means mount it and fly happy. But the day I let an insurance salesman tell ME which engine I WANT to use is the day I ruefully find a new hobby. If I let them tell me how to build and fly based on their tolerance for (perceived) unknown risk, I would never get off the ground. Okay I'll put my soapbox away now, ignore or use this as you see fit.Tim Hansen in "Windy, Oh look it's the SUN, How about that!" Ohio ________________________________________________________________________FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.comClick HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again!http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=h ... ______Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:33:20 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal - plywood
Original Posted By: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
That would be Wayne Meier, 651 882-9035.Greg ----- Original Message -----
That would be Wayne Meier, 651 882-9035.Greg ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: RE: RAA magazine
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Yes, one of the Pietenpols featured is mine. C-FRAZ. I haven't seen any of the articles yet. Shawn________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:04:39 -0700
Yes, one of the Pietenpols featured is mine. C-FRAZ. I haven't seen any of the articles yet. Shawn________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:04:39 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines
Original Posted By: Scott Schreiber
Scott,I have read tales of horror and woes from buyers of all types of used engines. "But the seller promised it had only 600 Hrs", the seller promised it "had just been rebuilt" The log books showed "30 hrs since major overhaul and even listed all the new parts put in" (that's one I just got stung on and now I'm having to fork out lots of green stuff for a complete overhaul). I now have a new saying "a buyer that believes the seller and doesn't have an honest mechanic that is familiar with that type of engine check it out first, is buying for a FOOL." The only bright spot for me is I am working with the mechanic as he's rebuilding it and I'm learning. Also, keep in mind that most owners have their favorite engine and no matter how much problems they may have with them they will still swear by them. The most used comment I read is "as soon as I install this new part (shaft--rings--pistons--ect) everything will be perfect"THE FOOLGene----- Original Message -----
Scott,I have read tales of horror and woes from buyers of all types of used engines. "But the seller promised it had only 600 Hrs", the seller promised it "had just been rebuilt" The log books showed "30 hrs since major overhaul and even listed all the new parts put in" (that's one I just got stung on and now I'm having to fork out lots of green stuff for a complete overhaul). I now have a new saying "a buyer that believes the seller and doesn't have an honest mechanic that is familiar with that type of engine check it out first, is buying for a FOOL." The only bright spot for me is I am working with the mechanic as he's rebuilding it and I'm learning. Also, keep in mind that most owners have their favorite engine and no matter how much problems they may have with them they will still swear by them. The most used comment I read is "as soon as I install this new part (shaft--rings--pistons--ect) everything will be perfect"THE FOOLGene----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A received
Original Posted By: Pietsrneat(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedRon,You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope).Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedRon,You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope).Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A received
Original Posted By: "MICHAEL SILVIUS"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedIn a message dated 3/3/2007 8:46:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:Ron,You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope).Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, ILSame here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.Rondo not archive************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A receivedIn a message dated 3/3/2007 8:46:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:Ron,You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope).Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, ILSame here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.Rondo not archive************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________