Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Richard and Kathryn Davis"
Thanks, Rick. Your response answers our question. Also heard from Corky, who is going to visit next Thursday. Also my partner, Tom Schildt, and I have been looking at the Mike Cuy tape, so we now have the direction we need. Thanks also to the Pietenpol List Digest. What a great service it is !! Jim Cooper________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: John Fay
Way to go Gary, happy for you!Randy BushNX294RBSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 4, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:=C2-Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB=C2-Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. =C2-Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout any of the stress of those early flights. =C2-Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect.=C2-Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.=C2-Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy.=C2-I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!=C2-Gary BootheNX308MB=C2-=C2-=========>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ______Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 21:36:00 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron

Original Posted By: John Fay
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly. There'san actress that had a Piet..Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca 7AC, deHavilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air Camper. Aviationfilms: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005), Danger Bay (1986),Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.htmlRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:55:15 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron

Original Posted By: wayne & cathy
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too.- I still might add some plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life you are betting on. [Shocked]--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#384859le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "John Fay"
John, my aileron hinges are the MS 20257-5 from Aircraft Spruce. They are 6-feet long. They do not cover the complete length of the aileron. I split the difference at the ends of the hinge. Chuck----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty straight jointhowever the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of an inch alongits' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
John,My guess is, Yes, some straightening is called for, but the only area thatmatters is right at the hinge itself...2 hours of work, tops!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
If your ribs are all the same, then the bow is being transmitted from the spar.So, might want to see if you can correct the bow with the anti-drag wires.If not, do like mentioned and just plane the wing and shim behind the hinge onthe aileron (or glue in a little strip and reshape).You're definitely going to want that hinge as straight as possible.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come toBrodhead one year?Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
She looks better in her gear than I do in mine.Gary BootheNX308MB

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Probably looks even better out of it. _____

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
It appears the bump in the front aileron spar was transmitted via the ribs froma bump in the rear main wing spar which is hard to see with the ribs on. I won'ttrammel the wings to try to correct this as they are square and althoughyou might be able to correct this bump, you would twist the wings out of whacksomeplace else. If you look closely at the attached image you will see a bluechalk line I just made and it shows the bump. A hand plane should remedy thisbut I will lose a 1/16 inch of material from that section of aileron spar. Should I glue some 1/16 inch plywood on the back side for support?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
John,You only need to remove material at the top of the spar. I'm willing to betyour life that it won't matter. ;-)Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too. I still might addsome plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life you are bettingon. [Shocked]--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hollywd

Original Posted By: "tools"
Jim,Michelle still has the Piet, and just recovered it a few years ago. I tried postinga photo, but it wouldn't go through. I'll try again later when I'm at myhome computer, where I have access to my photos.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron

Original Posted By: Dave Millikan
You're basically laminating on a piece of metal there, which is stronger than wood.The loss of wood isn't going to matter. MIGHT want to add a few extra screwsin the part that attaches to the wing for piece of mind.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: shad bell
I don't know about sanding. It is hard to tell from photo, but you might needto pop the false spar loose and shim it straight before reattaching it. On Oct 7, 2012, at 11:25 AM, "John Francis" wrote:> > I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty straightjoint however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of an inchalong its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 845#384845> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07741_187.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07742_647.jpg> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 17:23:20 -0700 (PDT)