Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Pieters,Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas? ThanksGeneN502R ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:13:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

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Ed and Chuck thanks for the replies. What I plan on doing is leaving all of therib positions alone as well as the location of the flying strut fittings. I willthen just enlarge the openings for the spars on the 7th rib.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, Indiana________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RadioDate: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:25:37 -0500

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,Now that's ingenious. That's what I love about aircraft. I've been messingwith them most of my life and I always learn something new every day. Mostdays I learn many new things and that's just related to construction.Getting an airplane safely up and back down again seems to also offer newexperiences each time.I guess the same can be said for boats or cars so I guess our experience isnot unique. Sure is fun though.Russ -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Jack! Could you please send me some photos of your plane? I did not getone the other people have seen for some reason.Please e-mail to..davea(at)symbolicdisplays.comTHANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: final riggingHello group, I am going to put the wings on and do the final rigging this weekend. Any of you have any tips or suggestions on getting it all set up right? Thanks, Robert Bush**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: final riggingDate: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:49:57 -0500

Original Posted By: "walt evans"

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RadioIn a message dated 11/28/2007 8:07:51 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:Pieters,Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly largeand the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panelspace left to mount a radio. Any ideas? ThanksGeneN502R Gene, I have my handheld Icom mounted on an aluminum bracket at the right side of the cockpit, on top of the longeron, where the cowling comes down to the longeron. It allows the ducky antenna to stick out over the side, and maintainan almost vertical orientation (which is recommended for a com radio), and it's easy to see, change freq, and it clips on & off fairly easily. My push to talkbutton is on top of the stick.Chuck G.NX770CG**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:20:19 -0800

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Chuck, any chance of a photo?Gene________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
Jack,You are truly an amazing designer and builder. You have found your nich in life. GeneN502R ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
There is (or used to be) a radio made for sailplanes that fits in a 3 1/8" instrument panel hole. So maybe there's room at least for just one more hole... I'm betting it uses a bit of amperage so would probably require a good capacity battery but that would take care of the "for easy use" and "difficult to change channels" issues...I'm not sure how that would pass the WWBD (What Would Bernard Do?) rule, but it's doable... :-)JM ----- Pieters, Those of you that use radios, what are you using and where do you put it for easy use. I sometimes fly into airports that have a fair amount of jet and other fast airplane traffic. The handheld radio I've been using is fairly large and the only place I can find to put it is along side the seat, making it difficult to change channels, adjust volume, ect.. There really isn't any panel space left to mount a radio. Any ideas? Thanks Gene N502R ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RadioThere are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 3/8"?). These are the Microaire, and the Becker. I have the Becker in my Aeronca and it works well. It takes only 5 amps I believe. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
The XCOM radio from Australia also fits a 2 1/4" hole and it is shorter than the micoaire and the Becker. It's depth into the panel makes it perfect for the Piet and it has a built in intercom. Ed G.>From: HelsperSew(at)aol.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Radio>Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:59:34 EST>>There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 3/8"?).>These are the Microaire, and the Becker. I have the Becker in my Aeronca >and it> works well. It takes only 5 amps I believe.>>Dan Helsper>Poplar Grove, IL.>>>**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >hottest>products.>(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:01:41 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying to Brodhead is like having a babyI will be able to fly there every year since I am only 40 mi. away. That is if I ever get my airplane done. Put the wing on last weekend, and installed the struts. Getting closer. Will post pictures this weekend. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RadioDate: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:52:31 -0500

Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RadioIn a message dated 11/29/2007 7:26:29 AM Central Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:Chuck, any chance of a photo?GeneHere is one from back in '04. I have since re-located the Wiskey Compass to the bottom of the wing, and installed the CHT / EGT in that hole in the center.Chuck G.NX770CG**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RadioI have a string tied to the top of the Rubber Ducky antenna, tied to the cabane, because it twiched a lot out there in the prop wash.The GPS found a good location, but it makes it a little harder to get in & out.The throttle is there on the left, with my favorite little red button on it...Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !!There is also a roll of T. P. there on the right side of the seat, because ya just never know when a target of opportunity may show up !! :)Chuck G.NX770CG**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Chuck,Thanks so much for the photo. Better than a thousand words!Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Malcolm Morrison"
Jack when is Brodhead this year? I have a commitment on the West Coast for the last half of June and 1st half of July that I must complete. If that won't interfere then I would love to follow you up. My Piet is ready for the trip now!GeneN502R________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
I sent this one earlier but it never showed up, so here it is again.================Let's see how flying to Brodhead is like having a baby.The first trimester, everything is great. You feel fresh and rosy, a certain spring in your step, you look just like you did before and all your clothes fit like they always did. The cockpit is a perfect fit and everything is just like you planned it. You are excited about the prospect of what lies ahead. This is your first day on the big trip to Brodhead.The second trimester, you start to feel and look different. You have some lower back pain, you get tired earlier in the day, some of your clothes start to feel tight here and there, your underwear chafe and your goggles rub. Your appetite is off, sleep is a bit restless, you have to pee more often, and you get cranky sometimes. You worry about the airplane but everything seems to be rocking along and now the thought of getting there is more important than the flight. This is day two of the big trip to Brodhead.The final trimester, you just want to be there and be done with it. Climbing in and out of the cockpit is awkward and you grunt and groan every time you have to do it. Your back is sore, your butt is sore, you can't seem to get comfortable no matter how you wiggle around in your seat. You are snippy with line-boys, don't want anybody to take pictures when you taxi to the pumps anymore. You have to pee all the time. None of your clothes fit, everything is uncomfortable, and you're thinking maybe this whole thing was a mistake. This is day three of the big trip to Brodhead and it seems like it will never end.Then you see the airfield ahead. Pre-landing checklist; sit up straight; set altimeter, check traffic, breathe... breathe... breathe. Focus, this is the last push. Downwind, base, final... you're on the ground! Your baby has arrived and you brought it here. A bit dirty what with oil mist streaks and bugs here and there, candy wrappers and empty water bottles in the cockpit, headset and wires tangled around things, but you'll clean it up and it will be just fine. You're finally there and people are gathering around you and the airplane to see what you've got. And you've got the prettiest baby in the world.Your back is still sore, your butt is still sore, you REALLY have to pee... but you made it to Brodhead! ;o)(PS, I've never had a baby nor been to Brodhead, but I know people who have!)Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RadioDate: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:28:36 -0500

Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
Sounds good. Count me in. I'll be riding my Gold Wing to the West Coast, leaving here about the 10th of June and returning home about the 10th of July.Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I believe that the ratio by weight is 83 to 100. Going by memory here.They don't say what the ratio by weight is anywhere on the bottle orisntructions, but they do have a data sheet on their web site that has it.Go to http://www.systemthree.com/p_t_88.asp and click on the technical datasheet. I am running out the door now or would look it up and post it.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Arden Adamson"

Original Posted By: Brian Kraut
It's a good rule of thumb on ratios of resin to curative, for most commerically available epoxies used for laminations. The density diff between the two makes the gram ratio 100 parts resin and about 88 parts hardener, or 100:100 based on volume. Most epoxy systems you can buy off the shelf are somewhat forgiving on the ratios, so 83-93 parts hardener to 100 parts resin by weight will work out just fine.Gordon ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Digital ScaleI bought mine from Harbor tool for around 12 bucks on sale. It's small,so you need to use those medicine cups you can get at hobby shops. Theynow also have have a digital level for $50. About half the price of theone I bought from ATS (aircraft tool. Leon S. in Ks. ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Ryan Michals
Subject: Pietenpol-List: final riggingthanks for the input on my rigging question everyone. I am going to try to get it together this weekend, weather permitting.Jack and Gene if everything goes OK in the next couple of weekends,and I can get comfortable flying this thing by the time you get ready to make the trip to Brodhead I would be interested in making the trip with you. I live between Jackson and Lexington. Robert Bush**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:21:33 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Ryan Michals
Unless you're doing a glue-up with an epoxy with gel time in excess of 45 min., I'd keep my mixes less than total 200 grams. The best way to see if it's gonna be too much is to: mix up about 100 grams total epoxy and let it set up in the mixing cup. See how long it takes, should be +30 min. start gelling up and about 2 hrs should be completely hard, without exotherming so much it set your workshop on fire. I've mixup 500 grams at a time but had it spread out thin on the fiberglass within 30 min. There's a trade-off of gel times and when the epoxy is "set-up". Epoxy systems don't reach almost full cure unless a) they've set about 7 days at 77F, or b) 30 days at 60F or c) you can heat up the laminate to about 150F for 1 hr. Longer gel time epoxy systems give you a lot more work life and you can make bigger batches, but the "full cure" time is extended.Gordon ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Ryan Michals

Original Posted By: Ben Charvet

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
> >There are two radio choices that fit in a small instrument hole (2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------11/29/2007 8:32 PM________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:13:43 -0800