Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> Guys,> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. > Piet Project > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not > covered. Have > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) > 894-1991 or > cell (920) 946-9771. > > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL.> > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> Guys,> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. > Piet Project > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not > covered. Have > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) > 894-1991 or > cell (920) 946-9771. > > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL.> > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... ______Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:23:11 -0700

Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> Guys,> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. > Piet Project > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not > covered. Have > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) > 894-1991 or > cell (920) 946-9771. > > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL.> > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489> e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp; - ListContribution Web Site ; ======================== --------------------------------- Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP ---------------------------------________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> Guys,>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.> Piet Project> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not > covered. Have> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)> 894-1991 or> cell (920) 946-9771.>> Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL.>>> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> shape.> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489 -- Rick HollandObjectAge Ltd.Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> Steve,> > Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find > that the > process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges > and > satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and > the nuances of > personal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity. > > Just lovin the project one day at time > > John> > > In a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG > FORSCOM" > > > I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. > But I will > ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an > Infantryman.)> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering > Weekend work > only. I am semi handy with tools. > > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not > flat opposed > to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished > project be a > good way to go in order to save time and $$$? > > Steve Dortch> > ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By:> > HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the > building part> of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) to > fly first> while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for possibly > lessmoney than it would cost to build one anyhow.> > Rick> > On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:> > NG FORSCOM"> > > >> > I realize that there are many variables in any project like > this. But I> > will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an > Infantryman.)>> > How long might it take to complete this project? Considering > Weekend work> > only. I am semi handy with tools.> >> > Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat> > opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly > finished project> > be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?> >> > Steve Dortch> >> > ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By:> >> HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> > Steve,> > You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more > about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been > fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of > fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event. > If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you > better estimates of time to finish. > > Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that > finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a > bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials > at current AS&S prices. > > You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it > already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as > opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better > understanding and appreciation of the finished project. > > Tim in central TX> > -----Original Message-----> >From: Rick Holland > >Sent: Jan 22, 2008 10:23 AM> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> >> >If you just want to fly a Pietenpol and am not sure about the > building part> >of it do what Skip Gadd did, buy a completed Pietenpol (or GN1) > to fly first> >while you build another. You can buy a completed Piet for > possibly less> >money than it would cost to build one anyhow.> >> >Rick> >> >On Jan 22, 2008 7:33 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM >steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> wrote:> >> NG FORSCOM"> >> > >>> >> I realize that there are many variables in any project like > this. But I> >> will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an > Infantryman.)>>> >> How long might it take to complete this project? Considering > Weekend work> >> only. I am semi handy with tools.> >>> >> Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat> >> opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly > finished project> >> be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$?> >>> >> Steve Dortch> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By:> "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> > Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To > buy and > fly or build and fly"> I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of > experimentals. > I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already > built and > love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to > the head > that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is > because the > hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can > account for > the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle > of the > night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack > both time > and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.> You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet > and > little by little start building your own. That way you have the > best of > both worlds.....Flying and Building.> Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?> Gene in rainy Tennessee> > > ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleGuys,Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. Piet Project for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not covered. Have engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920) 894-1991 or cell (920) 946-9771. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... __________

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleI realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will askanyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only.I am semi handy with tools. Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed tobuilding, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good wayto go in order to save time and $$$? Steve Dortch----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleSteve,Don't underestimate the power of the project, you may soon find that the process of the build is, in and of itself a journey of challenges and satisfactions. Before you know it you're hooked on the build and the nuances ofpersonal preferences that peak your curiosity and creativity. Just lovin the project one day at time JohnIn a message dated 1/22/2008 9:40:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM" I realize that there are many variables in any project like this. But I will ask anyhow (Never underestimate the hardheadedness of an Infantryman.)How long might it take to complete this project? Considering Weekend work only. I am semi handy with tools. Someday, I dream of getting a Piet and going flying. While not flat opposed to building, I really prefer flying. Would a mostly finished project be a good way to go in order to save time and $$$? Steve Dortch----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleJohn, I understand and love projects. Love to figure out things and make them work(not that good at it but I still love it.) However, as I peer into the hazycrystal ball of my future. I don't see a lot of free time. Perhaps a Piet whenI am retired but that is a long ways off. I have been around enough building/restoration projects to know that 90% completeusually means 50% to go. Blue skies, Steve ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleOK, What would be the general price range? I am just window shopping and not shoppingto buy at this point.Steve D.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleIf I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and therefore ableto do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.Steve----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By:> Tim Willis
Steve,That would be a big "Probably." You need to satisfy the requirement that you are the major builder of the project and then you may be granted your repairman certificate which will allow you to perform the annual condition inspection. Although, with a homebuilt, this can be performed by an A&P instead of an IA. I have done quite a few homebuilts over the years as an A&P.-john-John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800Madison, WI 53718Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Jan 22, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM wrote:> FORSCOM" >> If I Finished out a project, would that make me the builder and > therefore able to do the annuals? Just a thot regarding future costs.>> Steve>> ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and fly or build and fly"I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals. I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of both worlds.....Flying and Building.Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?Gene in rainy Tennessee----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Steve,You can get a used Piet or GN-! for 10K to 15K, allot of plane for the money. Youare buying a wooden airplane so in addition the the regular stuff you haveto worry about look real close at the wood and glue joints. Also in my opiniona homebuilt is worth more if it has 200 hours than if it has 5 hours.Skip----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Gene & Tammy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleGene, regarding the hit on the head, Avoid a repeat head injury, Drink lots ofwater and start eating lots of butter. That is the latest wisdom on TraumaticBrain Injury. Based on Army and NFL experiences. Regarding the strange side effects of wanting to build a Piet. Try building thebalsa model and see if that gives relief.Good thot. ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for SaleGene,I am sorry to hear of your affliction, as a builder I can certainly appreciate your dilemma. Having never suffered any type of head trauma I am unableto relate to that aspect. I can however tell you, that I share your preoccupation to building a Piet, to the degree that it works well to keep my mind on my business. There is nothing like going down the turnpike on the mindless commute and thinking about the build and the next step in the process, or in themiddle of the night to the exclusion of most all other thoughts. Loving the build, learning a bunch,challenged with new elements as each assembly is addressed and longing for the day to fly my bird. I can think of many addictions and afflictions, however I can think of none more demanding and worthy of my time, energy, dedication or life's ambitions than to build and fly my Piet. At times I think its worse and even more powerful than the infamous BB gun fever so to all the builders I have met and those that I have yet to meet, Keep on gluing!John RecineIn a message dated 1/22/2008 12:49:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zharvey(at)bellsouth.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gene & Tammy" Steve, for what it's worth here is my take on the question: "To buy and fly or build and fly"I love to fly and have bought, flown and sold a number of experimentals. I've done some rebuilding on all of them. I bought a Piet already built and love flying it. About a month ago I received a very hard blow to the head that almost knocked me out. The reason I'm telling you this is because the hit to the head (possible brain damage) is the only reason I can account for the many times I have lately found myself waking up in the middle of the night thinking about building myself a Piet from scratch. I lack both time and finances but I'm really starting to loose sleep over this.You might think about going in with someone else and buying a Piet and little by little start building your own. That way you have the best of both worlds.....Flying and Building.Wonder if I order a set of plans if I'd be able to get more sleep?Gene in rainy Tennessee----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
GeneIf you buy the plans, then you can lay awake picturing ways of assembling landing gear and the possible solutions to all kinds of things not detailed in the plans. You can also wake up in the middle of the night with clever solutions to a new and better way of doing things. You will also try to remember what they were in the morning.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Tim Willis
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>> > Guys,> >> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.> > Piet Project> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not> > covered. Have> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)> > 894-1991 or> > cell (920) 946-9771.> >> > Dan Helsper> > Poplar Grove, IL.> >> >> >> >> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > shape.> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489> >>>-- Rick HollandObjectAge Ltd.Castle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:38:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > Guys,> > > > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter. > > Piet Project > > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not > > > covered. Have > > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. > (920) > > 894-1991 or > > cell (920) 946-9771. > > > > Dan Helsper> > Poplar Grove, IL.> > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > > > > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Tim Willis
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > > Guys,> > >> > > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.> > > Piet Project> > > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not> > > covered. Have> > > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)> > > 894-1991 or> > > cell (920) 946-9771.> > >> > > Dan Helsper> > > Poplar Grove, IL.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> > > shape.> > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Rick Holland> ObjectAge Ltd.> Castle Rock, Colorado> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG FORSCOM"
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>> > Guys,>> >>> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.>> > Piet Project>> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not>> > covered. Have>> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)>> > 894-1991 or>> > cell (920) 946-9771.>> >>> > Dan Helsper>> > Poplar Grove, IL.>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in>> > shape.>> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >Rick Holland>ObjectAge Ltd.>Castle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
> >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> >> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >>> >> > Guys,> >> >> >> > Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.> >> > Piet Project> >> > for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not> >> > covered. Have> >> > engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)> >> > 894-1991 or> >> > cell (920) 946-9771.> >> >> >> > Dan Helsper> >> > Poplar Grove, IL.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> >> > shape.> >> > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >-- > >Rick Holland> >ObjectAge Ltd.> >Castle Rock, Colorado> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:38:50 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By:>>> Rick Holland
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>> >> Steve,>>>> You ask about how much time to finish. You need to know more>> about whether the steel fittings, pulleys and controls have been>> fabricated, if on LG, does it have instruments, etc. A lot of>> fabrication has obviously been done for you already, in any event.>> If you find out the project's exact status, others can give you>> better estimates of time to finish.>>>> Rick raises the question of time vs. value. It seems to me that>> finished Piets with low-time engines go for $15K plus or minus a>> bit. The $4K for this project is little more than the materials>> at current AS&S prices.>>>> You may sub out the engine work, unless you know a lot about it>> already. By doing the rest of the non-engine work yourself, as>> opposed to buying a completed Piet, you will likely have a better>> understanding and appreciation of the finished project.>>>> Tim in central TX>>>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
>>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale>>>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>>>>>>> Guys,>>>>>>>>>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.>>>>> Piet Project>>>>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not>>>>> covered. Have>>>>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)>>>>> 894-1991 or>>>>> cell (920) 946-9771.>>>>>>>>>> Dan Helsper>>>>> Poplar Grove, IL.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in>>>>> shape.>>>>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter->> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> Rick Holland>>> ObjectAge Ltd.>>> Castle Rock, Colorado>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Skip Gadd"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>> Guys,>>>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.>> Piet Project>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not>> covered. Have>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)>> 894-1991 or>> cell (920) 946-9771.>>>> Dan Helsper>> Poplar Grove, IL.>>>>>>>>>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in>> shape.>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489>>>>> -- > 9:39 AM>> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> >> Guys,> >>> >> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.> >> Piet Project> >> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not> >> covered. Have> >> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)> >> 894-1991 or> >> cell (920) 946-9771.> >>> >> Dan Helsper> >> Poplar Grove, IL.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in> >> shape.> >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-> exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > 9:39 AM> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:49:30 -0500

Original Posted By: "Tom Stinemetze"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Project for Sale> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>> Guys,>>>> Just saw this in the Midwest Antique Airplane Club newsletter.>> Piet Project>> for sale. includes fuselage, wings and tail section done but not>> covered. Have>> engine, but needs rebuilding. $4000.00. Call Mike Keltesh. (920)>> 894-1991 or>> cell (920) 946-9771.>>>> Dan Helsper>> Poplar Grove, IL.>>>>>>>>>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in>> shape.>> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... 0000002489>>>>> -- > 9:39 AM>> **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... __________