Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "jhubbard"
I too, have used the "ammonia technique" with boat models and RC airplanes. I'vealways wondered whether or not this weakened the wood to such a degree thatwould make it unsafe in a full-scale airplane or perhaps some other reason thatothers don't typically use this practice. I've got to assume that since thisis a common technique in model building, and since most homebuilders have somemodeling background, the fact that it's use in homebuilts seems rare indicatesthat there's something we don't know. BTW, rather than water mixed withammonia, I've always just used Windex. Spray it directly on the wood and it worksgreat. Does anyone have any reason this souldn't be used in homebuilding?--------"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy atall." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with the usual annoying questions

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Ok fellas,I'm brand new to this list, but am VERY impressed by the level of support and participationon this particular forum. I've long considered building a Piet forall the usual reasons (all-wood, wallet friendly, nostalgic, etc), but sinceI live near Boulder, Colorado, where the average 85 degree summer day bringsthe density altitude slightly north of 8000 feet, I've wondered about it's performanceon any day that isn't crystal clear and 50 degrees. I understand theengine options are numerous, and I would like to get some real-world feedbackon the performance up in the thinner air for given engine/prop choices. I'mspecifically concerned with Rate of Climb and Takeoff Roll specs. I also noticethat there are at least a couple builders in Co. area, and am wondering ifyour birds are flying, or still...ummm....in the nest. Thanks for all your help.Jeff--------"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy atall." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:55:17 -0700

Original Posted By: "jhubbard"
That's the first bona-fide A75 prop information I've had come back - thank you!It reinforces everything I was thinking about so far. Very helpful.- Mike--------Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newbie with the usual annoying questions

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
I think I dropped you a PM, but I'm not sure. I'd love to see your project, butmy work travels keep me away most of the time. I'm actually working in theDTC area over the next couple weeks, so maybe we can hook up at some point then.We should talk more offline.--------"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy atall." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:02:57 -0700

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jhubbard
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Newbie with the usual annoying questionsI've flown my Piet from a 4500'alt for 10 years. I too learned to fly at Jefco(I don't care what they call it now... Metro blah blah...). If flown solo,density altitude is not a problem with 65hp. (my ship weighted 626lbs) I weighabout 225 and enjoyed adequate performance even on hot days. I wished or 100hpwhenever I took a passenger more than a child's weight. (except when I wasat Brodhead (elevation 600' or so) -the air is really thick!)Stevee-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "G. Robert Stetson"

Original Posted By: "jhubbard"
Is the O-200 an option, or is it just too heavy? While I'm on the subject, whatis the biggest engine in terms of HP that is flying on a reasonably standardPiet, without just being stoopid about it?--------"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy atall." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing Myself

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
I have to jump on the bandwagon here and give my own salute to Dick and his beautifulplane. Before that article came out last month, I had planned on buildingeither a MiniMax or something from Fisher. Now the bar has been raised onthe all-wood airplanes, and I have a new set of goals. I just wish I could affordthat wonderful motor!--------"One boy is one boy, two boys is half a boy, and three boys ain't no boy atall." My Great Grandmother, whenever my cousins and I got together.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:01:35 -0700

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
RickI looked at the data plates on the two O-200 Piets at Brodhead. They both list empty weight at 810 Lbs. Of course with that you get full electrical system and night equipped.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "chase143"
Jeff,There are several flying Piets in the UK with O-200's for power. There is atleast one with an O-235. The C-90 is very common in the UK. The followingwebsite lists individual data for all registered UK Piets, including theengine used. There is a listing for weight, but it's Maximum Take Off Weight(in kilograms, so multiply x 2.2 to get pounds), so that would includeoccupants and fuel. Unfortunately, there isn't a listing for empty weight.One other factor to consider with a larger engine is the increased fuelburn, which usually means a bigger fuel tank (more weight again) or shorterflights.http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?c ... tenpolBill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New guy jig question

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
More excellent words! Thanks for the counter top idea, sounds like epoxy won'tstick to that, I'm trying that technique. Bill the picture link works fine, veryhelpful, good words on epoxy application.Thanks all!SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________