Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseHas anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir isconsidered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can beused at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseHas anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir isconsidered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can beused at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseHas anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir isconsidered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can beused at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseHas anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir isconsidered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir canbeused at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can be used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
I was considering buying the spruce kit from A/C Spruce to get the majority ofthe wood at one time, even with ground truck cost it looks like it saves a biton shipping . However, their package lists the capstrips as 3/16" x 1/2" vicewhat I think is correct, 1/4" x 1/2". When I contacted them, they said they verifiedthis from a set of plans. Also, they list the spar as 3/4" x 4 3/4". Iplan to build the full size wing, so I think the plans call for a 1" spar. AmI miss reading two very important measurements? Thanks,SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce PurchaseSteve,I would definitely NOT buy my spruce from the lumber list provided by ACS. You are best to develop your own lumber list. BTW , ACS has their "bargain bagof spruce" which is a very good buy. I actually bought two of these before I was finished with my wood work. You can make many parts out of the pieces that they send you, especially if you have a planer. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-plea ... 0000002598)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spruce PurchaseDate: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:35:56 -0500

Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Sounds good. ACS was very helpful, I just told them I would research what others(who have been there) have used, because I am new at the Piet and I'd get backto them. Regardless, I think I'll make a list and order periodically.Steve C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase

Original Posted By: "Catdesigns"
Steve, I just ordered wood for my wings from Aircraft Spruce. From my review of the PietenpolAir Camper spruce kit, it does not include material for the wing tip,leading edge or trailing edge of the wing. It also does not include the wingrib material. Im not sure how well the kit matches up with the fuselage needsas I did not buy my fuselage wood from them. -inch x 4 -inch spars are used by BHP on the last plane he built and are use bymany people. I was going to go with the 1-inch but decided to go with -inch (forcost) and shims at the ribs. Per the plans, the wing ribs are made form 1/4-inch x 1/2-inch. You will needto order this separately. ACS has a note that says the ribs are built based onthe HP of your engine. This is not true for the Pietenpol. This must be fromthe Grega plans. They also sell a Grega kit so make sure your looking at theright one.If you order from then have them send you a copy of the material in the kit andcompare it to your own list of stuff. It is rather simple to sit down with theplans and get a ruff estimate of what you need.By the way don't forget about plywood. You will need some for both the wings andfuselage.Chris--------Chris TracyWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase

Original Posted By: "chase143"
Just noticed I made a mistake in my previous email. My spars are are 3/4-inchby 4 3/4-inch. Also, shipping from Corona to Sacramento, $110 (estimated by them). I cant drivedown there for less then $110. Frequently I get hit with $15 to $20 shippingon small boxes so this sounded good to me.Chris--------Chris TracyWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Thanks Chris, more great info!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:48:09 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spruce Purchasecheck out this web site for spruce_http://www.publiclumber.com/aasitsprucve.html_ (http://www.publiclumber.com/aasitsprucve.html) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-plea ... 0000002598)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir isconsidered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can beused at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "jimboyer(at)hughes.net"

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I am using poplar in my build and rather pleased with it from all aspects. Exceptof course my newly acquired allergic reaction to it. Just my luck it takesa few days of misery to get past the love of the buildAll in all poplar is amazing stuff to work with strong, stable, readily availablefro the local wood guy and a lot less expensive. Has all the makings of perfect. John RecineLititz paSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Clif Dawson

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
There is a lot to be said for buying a decent quality table saw and a planerand a couple big hunks of wood. In the end you might have paid a littlemore, but you wind up with tools that you will have for a lifetime and youget them for a big discount after you figure what you are saving on thewood. Not to mention the time you save during the life of the project byhaving the tools handy and being able to cut down more stock that you didn'trealize you would need instead of having to order it and pay for moreshipping.Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks, Owen! I am noting that a number of builders have used both fir andpoplar! I am encouraged....Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
John,Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits thegrain description in 43.13?Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Cliff,You're reading my mind. I am also interested in wood struts. Do you know ofany guidelines for laminating the struts?Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Owen Davies

Original Posted By: Clif Dawson

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Received my wood kit from ACS last month, same experience as Rick. ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Clif,I think I assumed that laminating was 'required' for structural reasons. Ifnot, I probably would not go down that road. But it seems to me that I wouldhave much better luck finding smaller pieces without flaws, and laminatingfor that reason.I'll have to think about your question of laminating for 'looks.' That maybe something I would like...Gary-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce PurchaseGary,I have not had any problems meeting the specs, the only problem so far is trying to find the best of the stack for my Piet, The only thing I have encountered so far is that straight board once ripped, the rips can change shapeand twist, but that only happened in one piece of stock the rest has had a nice straight consistent grain with few knots and nice growth ring pattern. I an still working with my initial stock purchase of poplar which I spent $89.00 and have all my structural pieces complete in addition to the turtle deck and still have some left.I just really love working with it. the coloration differences are perplexing in that it changes along a board or inside of rip can take on a greencolor. I have not noticed any weakness or changes in strength, ply ability orbonding capability. I think its a great alternative to the more expensive woods,sitka spruce and with a minimal penalty in weight it matches up really good in the wood charts as an alternative.John In a message dated 2/20/2008 10:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gboothe(at)calply.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" John,Just wondering, are you finding it difficult to find poplar that fits thegrain description in 43.13?Gary Boothe Cool, CA -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: MaxHegler
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
. With all the discussion on purchasing wood and wood kits, does anyone have experience with Western Aircraft supply in Canada. They seem to be very knowledgeable on Pietenpol's and it sounds like a very complete kit. Naturally, the shipping to me here in the Midwest is an issue.Any expereriences with them?Perry RhoadsIllinois ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By:>> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> To:>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase>> >> >> >> Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is>> considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can be>> used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....>> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, CA >> >> >> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To:> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spruce Purchase>>> Has anyone utilized an alternate to Spruce. I know that Doug Fir is> considered acceptable - heavier but stronger. AC43-13 allows that fir can> be> used at a lesser dimension, provided it is AC grade. Just curious....>> Gary Boothe> Cool, CA>>> -----Original Message-----