Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 164 corvair engineI just got back to Wilmington NC with a 1964 Corvair 110 hp motor that I bought in Lexington NC today. If you are serious about wanting a motor, BarryOwens has plenty of the ones we need for aircraft use or otherwise.here is the information: Barry Owens Cell # 336-250-966 358 Dixon St Lexington NC 27292hope this may help someoneTed Stone /at work on Pietenpol **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?vide ... 0000000002)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Pietenpol-List: 164 corvair engineCorrection I have a 1964 motor and I purchased a 1966 motor from Barry____________________________________

Original Posted By: "Lagowski Morrow"
I am at the same stage.. posted a while back and got a lot of pictures but no templatesor good mounting ideas. Made a windshield, but not too crazy about it.Could I get the same info? Be nice if it was in some format it could stay on theforum and be usable for, but I would be happy with it any way could get it.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
What is the price for these motors?Barry ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "walt evans"

Original Posted By: Ryan Michals

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ryan,The difficult part about this is that most builders find that they need (orwant) to adjust the metal parts slightly to fit the actual plane that theyare building with their hands.So, you may find that metal parts made exactly to the plans don't quite fitproperly (or maybe they do). And it is very unlikely that parts taken offone Pietenpol would fit perfectly onto another. Also, many builders havecome to realize (thanks largely to Mike Cuy's video) that some of thefittings as drawn are a bit "tight" when it comes to installing fasteners,and can be made much more "user friendly" by extending them slightly.I have not yet made any of my metal parts (other than my tail hinges - and Ididn't do those to the plans), so I can't give you what I don't have, but ifyou have specific parts in mind that you would like CAD files for, let meknow, and I could crank out some drawings (based on the original plans) foryou. The bulk of the parts are pretty straightforward, so copying them intoCAD is easy. Let me know what you're after. Bill C. _____

Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Initially I drew all the metal parts in CAD but I ended up not using the drawingsbecause of fit issues like Bill C. was referring to. I also do not like tosend them out because I do not want them to get out in the public domain andhave people wast a lot of time and money on fittings that do not fit properly.The best idea is to make the metal bits after you build the parts they attachto. I find it real easy to make simple paper patterns off of the wooden parts.A lot of my fuselage fittings are slightly modified for better edge marginsand size. Nothing major just a slight tweak. That being said I'd bet thereare a bunch of planes flying with plans fittings.Chris, making elevator control horns in Sacramento--------Chris TracySacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone?Last year at Tracy Crook's rotary engine fly-in down in Bell Florida there was a gentleman with a Mazda derived single rotor engine. He had made a customcasting for one of the end plates. This engine ran very well and produced and estimated 100 HP.I do not recall his name.Regards, ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 6/5/2008 8:13:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mjdt(at)auracom.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "MikeD" silvius(at)gwi.net wrote:> http://www.contactmagazine.com/backissu.htmlNeat.But man, the purists would be all over your case for that one!--------Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... *******Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?vide ... 0000000002)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael,You may want to check that link....Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, working on fuselage(9 ribs down.) _____

Original Posted By: _Gary Boothe_ (mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rotary engine in a Piet anyone?Yes, that's the one, thanksRegards, ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details=====If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 6/5/2008 2:54:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, silvius(at)gwi.net writes:OOOOOOOpppps!!!catchy tune any how!!! LOLYes, you are right, dont know how that one got there but here is the right link_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU) ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Chrissi:That would have been Richard Shonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bid9KsuxECAMichael SilviusScarborough, Maine Falconar F-12 w/ NA 1988 13b in progress ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Chrissi:I believe these are photos of Richard's single rotor engine and parts. Looks like someone with reasonable machine shop skills and equipment should be able to make such an end iron. The last I heard was Richard had sent his rotor and counterweight off to some big rotary racing /aftermarket parts outfit for balancing and they have sat on the project for more than reasonable time. (over six months) without doing anything about it. Michael ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
A few more photos of Richard's single rotor Mazda 12AMichael ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
OOOOOOOpppps!!!catchy tune any how!!! LOLYes, you are right, dont know how that one got there but here is the right linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4P8NeudGGU ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Brian Kraut"
I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so manyaccidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories foroutboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" whichlook much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could mounton the firewall before the gascolator.Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since wehave sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good bitof extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds.Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance thatseems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting itawefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to threehours.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:11:39 -0400

Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
>>I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so many>accidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories for>outboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" which>look much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could mount>on the firewall before the gascolator.>>Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since we>have sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good bit>of extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds.>>Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance that>seems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting it>awefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to three>hours.>>Douwe>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Brian Kraut"
Brian The basic requirement is that there is a sump at the low point of the system. On one plane a few years ago I installed a in line fuel filter and the DAR had me remove it because it could clog and cut off fuel. I see the same potential problem with a fuel water seperator for a boat. I have one of these on my boat and I have had the engine shut down because of clogs.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
The water separating filters for boats are usually aimed at diesel fuel systems. Check before use to ensure they'd be compatible with gasoline. Most boats don't have sump drain valves that an operator can actually access. If it were me, I'd not install one.Make sure that your fuel vent, the fuel caps and any fuel quantity sensor (e.g., Cub wire on a float) do not permit water to get into the tank. All those are possible entry points. You could do worse than find a Cessna's fuel system diagram and duplicate it.The amount of fuel that's "right" is based on your bladder, which will easily tell you when to land. You want more fuel than that. If you plan to use the plane as a real cross-country airplane then you want more fuel yet, so that you can go somewhere in the back country and fly back out to a fuel stop.I don't have a Pietenpol. My plane is a Cessna Skywagon, and it has about four hours fuel. This is marginal; I'd be more comfortable with six. My bladder is good for about three. I do carry a pee bottle.I have had this plane for more than twenty years. I have rarely had water in my fuel. I drain the fuel tanks and the sump, of course, and have had both tanks replaced or drained for other maintenance, with no water found.David Paule=======Douwe wrote -I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so manyaccidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories foroutboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" whichlook much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could mounton the firewall before the gascolator.Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since wehave sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good bitof extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds.Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance thatseems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting itawefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to threehours.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Barber Field Fly-In

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hey Shad,Well I'm getting a little discouraged by the line of thunderbumpers moving ourway. It looks like they are calling for a good chance of them by 8 or 9 in themorning. I'm thinking I may skip church, er have church in the airplane, andhead over on Sunday. Sunday seems to look better for the thunderstorms. Ithink Skip was planning to go then too. What do you think?DonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: shad bell
>>>>>>>I'm really gunshy about water in my gas because I've heard of so many>>accidents caused by this. Recently I've been looking at accessories for>>outboard boat motors and noticed they use "water seperating filters" which>>look much like a regular oil filter in a similar housing, which could >>mount>>on the firewall before the gascolator.>>>>Does anyone know how these work, and is it completely redundant since we>>have sumps and drains in the tank and in the gascolator, or is it a good >>bit>>of extra insurance? They weigh a few pounds.>>>>Also, I'd really appreciate any input regarding the amount of endurance >>that>>seems right? Leaving 30 minutes of fuel in my tank, which is cutting it>>awefully close for my taste, will give me about two and a half to three>>hours.>>>>Douwe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT)