Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Marc Davis
Hello AllWell I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but=2C a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump.Here are a few photos of it. http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/PietenpolIt has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I think the two lower longerons are broken.The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flight and that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to improve things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a65's already.I'll have more photos and more questions laterMarc_________________________________________________________________Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger.http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/co ... __________

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
One question right off the bat. The wing strut fittings seem to built to plans but....It seems like a strange design. In compression the strut ends sort of kink sideways in the strut.Are people flying with this arrangement? I see come are using he aluminum strut material. Marc_________________________________________________________________Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger.http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/ov ... __________

Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!Congrats on your find and purchaseJohnIn a message dated 7/28/2008 7:17:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marcs_listreading(at)hotmail.com writes:Hello AllWell I've had the plans for some time and followed the list off and on but, a piet came for sale on craigslist and I had to jump.Here are a few photos of it. _http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/sandy.n.marc/Pietenpol) It has two problems (at least) The tail wheel was poorly installed and I think the two lower longerons are broken.The plane had a corvair at first and later had a a65 installed. With the a65 it was VERY aft CG. The elevator was about 50% deflected in level flightand that way with 50 lbs of lead bolted to the engine mount. I don't know what the fuselage length is but I will measure tonight. I assume I will have to build a longer motor mount.Once I have the tail uncovered I will be looking for suggestions un how to improve things. I am not buying the motor or prop with the plane because I have a couple a65's already.I'll have more photos and more questions laterMarc____________________________________Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. _Get started._ (http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/co ... deo_072008) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?n ... 0000000020)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Marc Davis
Marc, moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you want to do I would put it out on this list for dicussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel.Just my thoughtsGene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Marc Davis
Marc, moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you want to do I would put it out on this list for discussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel.Just my thoughtsGene----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Marc Davis
Marc,Is the engine still for sale I would be interested in it.Chet________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
I thought about moving the wing=2C and may do it. It would make it harder for me to get in and out of the plane.I did measure the Fuselage length and I have the short fuselage (Improved 1933 plans=2C and 161 and 1/4").I see that Chuck Gantzer (http://nx770cg.com/) moved the engine forward when faced with the same problem. I'm planning to email him to see if him plane has problems recovering from a slip as BHP is reported to have suggested.Maybe I should put a 3 blade constant speed prop on to help balance the plane. (just joking).I also noticed that the both elevators are warped=2C so I will have to rebuild those. Much of the hardware on the plane is of the hardware store verity so that will have to be fixed. And the tail wires are a but odd so I'll have to look at those. Hmmm.. Should be flying Wednesday. Thanks Marc

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Michael,-There are certainly alternatives. If you haven=92t done so yet, go to www.flycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs, but also provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buy them. If you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want to peruse his web sight.-Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, working on fuselage(11 ribs down=85)

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael, There are certainly alternatives. If you haven=92t done so yet, go to www.flycorvair.com. William Wynn sells hubs, but also provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buy them. If you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want to peruse his web sight. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, working on fuselage (11 ribs down=85)----------------------------------------------------------------------

Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Marc;I love "stray dogs" and I'd say you got one. I think strays turn out to be moreaffectionate, better companions, better behaved, and have better health thanmany pedigreed pooches- and the same goes for airplanes. It's the strays thatseem to fly more and give their owners more satisfaction without fussing overlittle scratches and imperfections.I wonder why your airplane would be any more tail-heavy than any other? It doesseem that the lower longerons are broken at the tailwheel mount, maybe the resultof the tail heaviness (ya think?)- but nothing back there seems to be veryodd or different. The fittings and everything else seem to be pretty standard,the airplane looks to be square and mostly in rig. I would say that thewarped ailerons may be that way due to the covering job, but you should stillbe able to straighten them out once you get the fabric off. No electrics, nogadgets, seems like a simple airplane and everything is there, ready for restoration.I like the prospects that this airplane shows, but it's going to take some cleaningup and re-fitting. Who is it that says "the Pietenpol is slow, but the skyis patient", or something like that? Same goes for the job that is ahead foryou...Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I just bought a Piet. Wahoo!Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:01:56 -0400

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Michael,There are certainly alternatives. If you haven't done so yet, go towww.flycorvair.com . William Wynn sells hubs,but also provides drawings in his manual, for those who wish not to buythem. If you are interested in the Corvair, you will certainly want toperuse his web sight.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, working on fuselage(11 ribs down.) _____

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
http://www.flycorvair.com/products.html ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael:Definitely get the William Wynne manual for the conversion. It walks you through the "modern" conversion steps. The original Corvair conversion as per B H Pietenpol pretty much hangs the engine as is from the car with no real modification and retains the original squirrel cage blower. Taking that off is worth quite a few HP. Also the right cam gets you a bit more. The WW manual has all the right steps and includes the drawing for the prop hub if you wish to whittle your own. It also includes directions and contacts for all the other bits and manuals you will need.Michael ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Marc Davis
-0500Marc=2C moving the wing aft may be a better way to go rather than a longer motor mount. Worked very well for me. I would suggest you take a deep breath and don't do anything for a while. Once you have itemized what you want to do I would put it out on this list for discussion. So much knowledge here. No need to reinvent the wheel.Just my thoughtsGene----- Original Message -----