Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Build light!Somewhere I once saw "Simplicate and add lightness!"Just for some numbers, I have an A-65 Continental and it weighs in at 626lbs. empty.Full fuel is just under 15 gallons. I regularly carry a 230lb. passengerwith full fuel and me at nearly 185 lbs. It doesn't exactly claw for altitudeat that weight, but basically I know if I can get the passenger into the fronthole I can lift them out of a respectable field.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just for kicks

Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Just thought I'd throw this picture in from a week or so ago, somewhere in Ohio...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flyi ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A mag timing

Original Posted By: "walt"
Should work great, even without an impulse. Max RPM is the results, In the oldendays 73 Oct. was max. Then 25 Deg. is what most mfg. recommended. Keep plugsat .015"/.018" or it is hard starting.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:16:16 -0400

Original Posted By: Jim Ash

Original Posted By: "walt"

Original Posted By: Ben Ramler

Original Posted By: Ben Ramler

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Ben, Ben, Ben.Yes, it is possible to build an Air Camper from the Flying and Glider Manualdrawings. I wouldn't want to, but it's been done. Those drawings are sosmall I find them pretty hard to read, though. Nonetheless, those are yourplans. I assume you "splurged" for the $8 for the EAA reprint of the FGM.Use those plans to deternmine how many ribs are affected by the ailerons.As for $150 being too much to spend, how do you plan to build the rest ofthe plane if $150 for a set of plans is too much money? How are you going tocome up with the cash for a motor? How about a propellor? Wheels?Instruments? The cheapest recent build that I can recall hearing about wasaround $5,000. Assuming someone gave you all of the materials to build theplane, and you live on a property big enough to have your own runway, whatare you going to do when it comes time to fill the tank at $5 a gallon (ormore)? The Pietenpol is one of the most economical "real" aircraft you canbuild. It can be built cheaply, but it still ain't free.Building an airplane from plans drawn in 1934 is a challenge.Building an airplane without using those plans, and not spending any moneyis called dreaming.Pleasant dreams, Ben.BC-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Pieti Lowell"
Lowell,I have had the radiator checked, my timing is 28 degrees but I plan to try 30 degrees. My waster inlet looks to be clean, and I'm runing 100LL. My pump looks to be in excellent shape, I just replaced the head gasket.How can you tell a Model T waster pump from a Model A?Does any one know if Don Hicks used a T or A water pump?Chet----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
And to look at it from the other perspective, my Pietenpol is very close toDon's in most respects (65 Continental, wire wheels), but mine is heavy,weighing 745 lbs empty. I also carry 15 gallons of fuel, and I weigh 200.I can carry passengers as heavy as 205 - as long as I'm flying off a 6,000'runway. Climb rate on a hot day with a 200 lb passenger is somewhere around100 fpm, +/- 90 fpm. My home field is 2,000' long and I will NOT carry passengers out of it. Youmidwesterners don't know how good you've got it. When you say a strip is2,000' long, you fail to mention that that is the RUNWAY length, but thatthe approaches are long and flat and you can fly a mile before you hitanything. In North Carolina, when we say a runway is 2,000 long, that meansafter 2,000' you come to the 100' tall trees. You've got to be able to getoff the ground and then CLIMB! I've done the calculations, and if I liftoff after a 400' roll, that means I've got 1600' to climb 100'. At 50 mphI'll cover that 1600' in 21.8 seconds, and in that 21.8 seconds at 200 fpm Iwill climb exactly 72 feet. Would I carry passengers out of a short fieldin the Midwest? I did it at Brodhead and got about that much climb rate.Will I do it at home? No thanks - I'll fly 15 miles and meet them atSanford, with a 6,000' runway and approaches similar to Wisconsin.Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: charles loomis

Original Posted By:>> gcardinal
One of the old Buckeye Association newsletters (back in the days when Frank pavliga was the editor, I think) had a drawing on a way to do this.Kip G.On Aug 5, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Jim Ash wrote:>> Has anybody done the door mod with a tube-and-fabric fuselage > instead of a wooden one?>> Jim Ash>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> Emch" > > Build light!> > Somewhere I once saw "Simplicate and add> lightness!"> > Just for some numbers, I have an A-65 Continental and it> weighs in at 626lbs. empty. Full fuel is just under 15> gallons. I regularly carry a 230lb. passenger with full> fuel and me at nearly 185 lbs. It doesn't exactly claw> for altitude at that weight, but basically I know if I can> get the passenger into the front hole I can lift them out of> a respectable field.> > Don Emch> NX899DE> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 754#196754> > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:35:14 -0400