Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Jim Lathrop"
I have to agree with Clif on this one. I ended up lofting the dimensions for the Piet airfoil off the plans, even though I got the full size rib print with my plan set. As I recall there was a slight difference in size between the spars, However in retrospect, 1/4 inch difference in that distance won't make a bit of difference since all the ribs come off the same jig. If you already have a full size riblet plan, what in the world are you going to do with it after you make your jig?? Don't get too bogged down on the small stuff like this or you'llnever get through the things that aren't covered in the plans.Just my 2 centsBen CharvetClif Dawson wrote:> You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also> absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your> base with a good ole' bic pen.> > You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money> agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and> you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows> EAA meeting!> > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours> and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you> won't have anything to say about it. > > Clif> >> "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled,> nor the hour which has passed return again."> ~ Ovid>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: >From print to jig...how?>> The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett> plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10> and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect> condition for reference or what have you.>> Ryan>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez> > wrote:>>> My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily> transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan> intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always> good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes> and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess> once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I> would like to try and salvage mine.> > It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic,> build.>> *>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... nics.com/c> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 8/12/2008 4:59 PM> *>> **>>> **________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:45:46 -0400

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
>>>Among other comments, Pieti Lowell wrote:>> If there is enough interest, I can pass along the Page 4 of >Riblett's letter to me that gives these coordinates, and notes, In>order to get them to size one must print out the page.>> Pieti Lowell>I would love to have a copy! Wouldn't surprise me if others felt the >same way.>>Owen>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:09:21 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: owen5819(at)comcast.net
For those who may not be aware, a spreadsheet of the 612 section withco-orgdinates was posted here a while ago.JohnW---- Original Message ----

Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
I, too, am a card-carrying full Colonel in the TACO organization. I have to cautionsome of you about Mike Cuy... being a yankee, Sterling issued Mike a "greencard" for undocumented aliens. I'll bet he even eats salsa that comes outof a jar and eats tamales with the shuck still on 'em.As to transferring the outline of a wing rib plan to a board or another piece ofpaper, I used my wife's pattern tracer from her sewing stuff. It looks likea miniature pizza cutter but with little teeth on the rim of the wheel. As youfollow the outline of your template, the wheel makes a continuous string oftiny holes. You pull off your template and go over the row of holes with theedge of a pencil to define the line, then get a flexible stick or ship's curve(if you have one) along the edge and fair in a nice true dark line. that'swhat I did on my Flying Squirrel. I agonized over getting it exact whereas aquick glance at the prototype shows that the designer simply built and flew, withvery little concern for exactitude. His flew long ago, mine ain't yet. Moralof the story: don't worry about precision.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Route 3/4" spar?Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:22 -0400

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Niether....>From: Michael Perez >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Route 3/4" spar?>Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:09:21 -0700 (PDT)>>I am have decided to use solid Sitka 3/4" spars with my Riblett ribs. My >questions are now as follows:should I route out the front 3/4" spar? >Should I do both? Rear only? Neither?________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
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Original Posted By: "walt"

Original Posted By: "David Jones"

Original Posted By: David Jones
David:Was'nt that one the one with the Grumman Mallard and the little black eye Jack Russel terrier.Michael in Maine ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: David Jones
Yea, it was about some guys in the South Pacific flying around. I would think they would have it, though, it wasn't THAT unknown at the time.Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"

Original Posted By: David Jones
Anything with a Grumman Goose Bug Smasher in it hasgot to be good!I've kicked myself many times for not taping it.http://www.goldmonkey.com/http://www.wa ... nknownI've never used anything like this myself but here it is.http://www.downloadnova.com/member-file ... se.htmHave fun!ClifSo why did bush operators like the goose? --- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
In my case I've decided to use a built up spar (3 piece wing) I do nothave enough material to fill in the sections that were supposed to be solid.Should I get more spar material or just use something local like #1 pine orash or oak?Bob________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: built-up sparDate: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:48:28 -0400

Original Posted By: "David Jones"

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bob,I used spruce for my "blocking in" sections, ash or oak may be a bit heavy.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australiahttp://www.cpc-world.com _____

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks. -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"

Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Hey Jack, did you use okoume, mahogany, or birch? What types and sizes of plywoodhave others used as web for spars? I am looking to go pick up some spruce nextweek and place an order for plywood. Thanks in advance for any suggestionor comments.--------I just hope when it's my turn to reach up and touch the face of God, I don't pokehim in the eye on accident.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: built-up sparDate: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:10:05 -0500

Original Posted By: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
Sorry for the delay. I've had someproblems and asked Oscar to help post some info about my project andparts. My hands are injured=2C and hard to type=2C sorry for the "formletter" but the below info basically states the "Who=2C What=2C When andWhy"... I am sending this to all who have inquired. If you see it againas posted by Oscar=2C I apologize. Also=2C I won't be much help in loadingthis stuff=2C so I would advise to bring a friend and a suitable trailer.Oscar:I'm having fits responding to people on the Piet list who have asked off-line questions about my engine and Piet project.Can you send this out=2C with my apology that I've turned into an old fart on a farm that is binary challenged? I just can't get my poop out on the Pietenpol list for some reason and I've had a lot of e-mail about this stuff.Partof the reason I can't respond individually to each inquiry is I am inso much pain from arthritis and I jumped into break up a SECONDdogfight in May=2C and my hands are injured and shoulder hurts. Thefirst dog fight sent me to the emergency room. I learned it's best topull off one dog at a time and lock them up somewhere=2C rather than jumpin the middle and try to stop 7 dogs! ( i rescue abandoned dogs... SeeYouTube and type in "Winters Texas" and look for the abandoned motherdog and her pups... I have 10 dogs and am trying to find homes for mostof them.)I got a shot ofDecadron and Medrol today=2C I start Predisone tomorrow and Celebrexafter the Predisone=2C so I hope to be feeling much better in a couple ofweeks... It just hurts to type and I haven't been up to sending outindividual=2C personal e-mails. I'd starve to death if I were a homelessperson on a corner somewhere. I hurt too much to hold up a sign'HOMELESS=2C NEED TACOS AND CORONA=2C GOD BLESS YOU'.I plan oncleaning up my hanger when I get back on my feet=2C and when it cools off(and if the diverticulitis calms down with the Predisone) and I willorganize all my stuff I am selling=2C provide a better description andI'll post everything on YouTube with commentary. This might not happenuntil cooler weather hits=2C maybe in about 5 weeks. My hanger is like anoven and I think the heat exacerbates the diveticulitis.Priorto getting the info out on YouTube=2C I'll invite any and all to come outand take a sneak preview in the hanger BEFORE I put this all on EBAY=2Cif they wish to see it up-close and in person. I don't even know whatamount to ask=2C but I have to go through my engine receipts=2C see howmany THOUSANDS I have in rebuilding this engine (that was advertised tome as having only 5 hours SMOH=2C he should have said the SWWO=2C 'WORLD'SWORST OVERHAUL')I think by putting this on Ebay with an honestdescription=2C the goods will bring fair-market-value=2C and I won't haveto dicker with the price.I also will be selling my Cessna150/150 having a 160 horsepower Lycoming 0-320 E2D that CAN EMBARRASSany Cessna 172 out there. More on the Cessna later when I get it onYouTube. The farm more than likely (my paradise with a grass strip=2C5TA6) will be the last thing to go.But for now=2C I ask everyone to please be patient and understand I just can't do much e-mail at this time. Date: Wed=2C 13 Aug 2008 07:57:46 -0700

Original Posted By: David Jones
Thanks, The Gneech I've had in my favourites foryears, Tales I found a while back and the otherscame from a google search, " tales of the gold monkey".There's a lot more sites out there.There was an animated Saturday morning kiddiestakeoff on the Gold Monkey also.So, no biters on the bushplane thing? :-)Clif ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
The Goose they have in the show was the second Goose they tried to fly out to the islands. The first, a Goose owned and flown by a fellow from Anchorage by the name of Dodge, went down with engine trouble half way there. Dodge was rescued just before it sank. Dodge was also the pilot suspected of being the one that flew a helicopter into a mexican prison to get an American out. Dodge flew a pink P51 out of Merrill Field in Anchorage. He retired as an Alaska Airlines Pilot. He and his sons are very well known in the Alaskan aviation circles. The Goose was loved for it's ability to land almost anywhere, it's performance and it's payload.Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: johnwoods(at)westnet.com.au
>>> >> I have to agree with Clif on this one. I ended up lofting the> dimensions for the Piet airfoil off the plans, even though I got the> full size rib print with my plan set. As I recall there was a slight> difference in size between the spars, However in retrospect, 1/4 inch> difference in that distance won't make a bit of difference since all the> ribs come off the same jig. If you already have a full size riblet> plan, what in the world are you going to do with it after you make your> jig?? Don't get too bogged down on the small stuff like this or you'll>> never get through the things that aren't covered in the plans.>> Just my 2 cents>> Ben Charvet>>> Clif Dawson wrote:> > You know, it seems to me it would be just as fast and also> > absolutely accurate if you just lay out the ordinates on your> > base with a good ole' bic pen.> >> > You guys are spending waaayyyy to much time and money> > agonizing over this crap. It would be done already and> > you'd even have two ribs done for show and tell at tomorrows> > EAA meeting!> >> > Next time your wife comes home after spending six hours> > and burning $30 in gas to save $10 on a new dress you> > won't have anything to say about it. > >> > Clif> >> >> > "Neither can the wave that has passed by be recalled,> > nor the hour which has passed return again."> > ~ Ovid> >> >> >> >> > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: >From print to jig...how?> >> > The simplest way to end up with an undamaged full size Riblett> > plan, I would think, would be to just buy two prints. Another $10> > and you can have one print on the jig, and one in perfect> > condition for reference or what have you.> >> > Ryan> >> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Michael Perez> > > wrote:> >> >> > My mistake, what I am asking is: is there a way to easily> > transfer the plan onto the jig, and keep the original plan> > intact. I have heard how to simply make a copy is not always> > good, wondering if there is any other way. The making holes> > and connecting the dots is a way I haven't thought of. I guess> > once the jig is made and proven, we don't need the plan, but I> > would like to try and salvage mine.> >> > It seems the easiest is to tape it down, cover with plastic,> > build.> >> > *> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... nics.com/c> > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> > 8/12/2008 4:59 PM> > *> >> > **> >> >> > **>>> *>> 3D> *>>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Tim Verthein
As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of weeks=2C probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low price.Several years ago=2C I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force maintenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA=2C moved a few times=2C took a job with Cessna after getting out of the military... I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father=2C but soon after I brought it home=2C my dad passed away=2C thus the project has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair=2C but I had planned on putting my Continental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuselage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage with Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics=2C but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans.The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the wings=2C but they can be easily painted over.It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder coated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for this project.)The center section was already built=2C but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be some washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder.The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel and I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "premium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag=2C and it looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again=2C the panel and gauges are not for sale=2C please don't ask.If anybody is interested=2C please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMAIL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send any recent pictures anytime soon=2C but can do so sometime in mid September.I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want the liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuilt the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this.The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went off for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel bore process=2C vastly superior to channel chrome=2C satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new=2C rod bolts=2C new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short=2C this engine looks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp since 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the intake tubes are powder coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is as pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks incredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN=2C I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE=2C" not something that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview=2C this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger=2C Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see it earlier).RSBGot Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_________________________________________________________________Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/phot ... ______Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:49:36 -0700 (PDT)