Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFFCant say the thought hasn't crossed my mind also. We read the stories ofthe pilot that runs out of fuel and saves his passengers and aircraft bylanding on a roadway. We never do hear about the repercussions by the FAA and local law enforcement agencies if any at all. I also wonder how that isadministered, by the FAA, local jurisdiction, roadway type, municipal entity or the degree of fame and notoriety of the pilot? All just a matter of curiousity.John **************Big savings on Dell=99s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh)________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landingwith my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there wereno repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and Italked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make awritten report to the FAA and that was the end of it.Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil fromhis RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol andhad to pay a fine.You fellows in the midwest don't know what it's like to fly around here.Much of the time a highway is your only safe option - otherwise you aregonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing whichof the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____

Original Posted By: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFFHere in Pennsylvania many of our roads are just as good as many of the rock filled farm fields, sometimes better if you can find a new stretch of roadway that has no wires, but pretty much the best option for semi straight hard surfaces, typically when you find a road with no traffic, there's a good chance its not a road!John**************Big savings on Dell=99s most popular laptops. Now starting at $449! =http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFF

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Being from the Mid west I will take my chances with the Law and the FAA rather than try to explain to some farmer why I just did a forced landing in the middle of his gold plated hay field. All the while taking an ass chewing, for the damage I did, meanwhile his kids cut doughnuts in the same filed with 4 wheeler, but that's ok.....At least the officer will let you remove the aircraft...Jake SpiegelSlooooowly buildingJesup Iowa"Jack Phillips" Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com05/06/2009 02:12 PMPlease respond topietenpol-list(at)matronics.comToccSubjectRE: Pietenpol-List: Club OOFFI think it depends on the officer at the scene. When I had a forced landing with my Pietenpol on US Highway 64 west of Raleigh 5 years ago, there were no repercussions at all. The State Highway Patrol was on the scene and I talked with both the FAA and the NTSB from the scene. I had to make a written report to the FAA and that was the end of it.Two years ago, one of the members of our EAA Chapter lost all the oil from his RV-4 (broken oil cooler line) and set it down safely on US Highway 1 between Raleigh and Sanford. He was written up by the Highway Patrol and had to pay a fine.You fellows in the midwest don?t know what it?s like to fly around here. Much of the time a highway is your only safe option ? otherwise you are gonna be in the trees. In the midwest the biggest problem is choosing which of the hundreds of available fields to use for a forced landing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I think the clearest distinction comes about when the invasion of the publicroadway is the pilot's fault, as in simple fuel mismanagement causing theunwanted landing. If you screw up and cause a public safety issue, you willprobably pay. If something unforeseen and and unavoidable happens though,such as a bird strike or broken piston rod, and the roadway is a reasonableway to keep yourself alive, it is pretty difficult for FAA in particularand/or local LEO to make a citation stick.Jack, your buddy's fine was probably viewed as a "user fee" to make up forhis not having paid highway gas tax. You didn't say if the FAA had anyissues with his incident.Mike Hardaway _____

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
I think Mike (Hardaway) said it best... the circumstances make all the difference. In a forced landing situation where something has gone wrong=2C the FARs allow you to deviate from the rules to the extent required to handle the situation. It's quite another thing to run out of fuel in something other than a forced or emergency situation.In that case=2C like Ricky told Lucy=2C "you got a lot a 'splainin' to do!"Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________