Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Jim
Folks, I'm heading to Brodhead this year for the first time. I've volunteered to helphaul camping gear and fuel to Oshkosh for those flying over to Oshkosh en-mass.I'll be bringing up my enclosed 16' toy hauler for this. Question for you - where is a good place to camp at nearby where I can grab ashower? I don't want to be too far away as loading the trailer would otherwisebe painful.Lorin Millerlorin.miller(at)emerson.com 641-485-0840Sonex/Waiex ~80% donePiet next upColo, IowaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:10:48 +0000 (GMT)

Original Posted By: "ldmill"
Wow Ken! You're on your way!It seems like many of us follow the same path of plotting and thinking about it for years before goin for it. Congrats!MarkMark RobertsOn Jul 6, 2009, at 8:56 AM, Ken Howe wrote:>>> Hi All,>> This is my first post to the list, but many of you seem like old > friends> already. I've been subscribed for a couple of years, which is when I > got my> 2nd set (more about that later) of Pietenpol plans from Don P. Two > or three> months ago I decided it was time to stop thinking about it and just > start> building. My plan is to not have a plan. That is there is no > schedule or> expectation as to when I'll complete this project. As others have > said, my> enjoyment will come from building, making big sticks of wood into > little> sticks of wood then into airplane parts and finally a flying > machine! When> I can afford to buy raw materials, I'll get enough to make > something, then> get busy until that part is done. It'll cost more in the end this > way, but> that cost will be spread out pretty thin in the end.>> About MY Pietenpol: My current thinking about how/what I'll build.> Long fuselage - I'll rake the seat back 2-4" for comfort. I'll know > more> after I build a mock-pit. The fuse width will also depend on how I > fit into> the plans build mock-up.>> 3-piece wing, Riblett 63-012 airfoil.>> Engine is undecided. Maybe a C-85?>> Add-ons: (I know, extra weight)> I'm considering the Keri-Ann Price passenger door to make it more > friendly> for those time when I have a companion.>> Enough radios to enable me to fly comfortably in today's airspace.>> Probably lights - not necessarily so I can fly at night, but to make > myself> more visible.>> About me. I've been an EAA member since 1969 (in high school). I first> start taking flying lessons the summer between high school and > college. But> then I went to college and never finished lessons when life got in > the way.> I first got interested in the Piet in '74 and bought a set of plans > from> Mr. Pietenpol (that was the first set). At that time I was newly > married> and in the Air Force. I figured I'd start building something when I > settled> down. During one of my Air Force moves my set of plans was lost. I > guess> one moving box was lost, and the only thing that I ever missed was > my Piet> plans. To this day I have no idea what else was in that box. With > kids on> their own (or nearly so) I finally went to finish my flying lessons, > and 36> years after I started, I became a private pilot.>> I have a degree in Aerospace Engineering, but have made my career in> software development. I've been writing s/w since '78, soon after I > got out> of the service. Being an engineer, I'm always looking at things and> thinking about other ways of making them. So I will make changes > from the> Piet plans as I build. I hope my changes will be well thought out > and not> arbitrary, and definitely not purely for asthetics. I'm a firm > believer in> Frank Lloyd Wright's principal of "Form follows function". I also > believe> in the KISS principle. I also expect learn from what others have > done in> building their Piets.>> My building progress. First of all I'm trying to take lots of > pictures and> fully document my build. At some point I'll put a a blog on my > website, and> soon I'll post a few pictures here, particularly since there's been > such> and active Riblett discussion lately. I finished my rib jig almost 2 > months> ago, but have been busy with work and family since then. I had a small> crate of spruce from an abort project long ago (I was going to build a> PDQ-2). The wood has been kept in the crate, and when I opened it up > was in> perfect condition. There's more than enough there for all of my > ribs. Over> the holiday weekend I finished cutting all of the rib truss pieces, > so last> evening I glued up the 1st side of the 1st rib! (Point of reference > - I> bought a small supply of T-88 from Woodcraft Supply, a local > woodworker's> store.)>> Well, that's enough for now. Pictures soon, as well as a slew of > questions.>> Ken Howe> Beaverton, OR>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead visit - help camping??

Original Posted By: "ldmill"
Reply for Lorin and Steve SadlerThere is camping on the field at Brodhead. There is plenty of camping space. No electrical hookups or waste dumps. There are are showers available and some food service. The walk into town is short to McDonalds, Subway and other places. There is a grocery store and hardware store in town. Brodhead is a very small town and the airport is to the south of the main hwy just west of the McDonalds. This is an informal event, they sell buttons, $5, to help with expenses. There is also a Hatz bi plane flying on the other end of the field. Also there are some mighty nice planes making fuel stops on the way to OSH.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Ken Howe

Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "ldmill"
Dick,You mentioned planes making fuel stops on the way to OSH; do we know for sure that there is or will be fuel this year at Brodhead? I ask because the last I heard was from a friend that volunteered at the pancake breakfast towards the latter part of May, and he made a comment in an email about trying to do Young Eagles at the event with no fuel on the field. The last mention on the 431 website was of fencing being installed in May that brings things closer to operational status, but no mention of when or if they will actually be back up. I know that was over a month ago, but it may be worth confirming if they will actually have the new tanks running in time. Anyone else know any more current news?RyanSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 6, 2009, at 9:29 PM, "Dick N." wrote:> >>> Reply for Lorin and Steve Sadler> There is camping on the field at Brodhead. There is plenty of > camping space. No electrical hookups or waste dumps. There are are > showers available and some food service. The walk into town is > short to McDonalds, Subway and other places. There is a grocery > store and hardware store in town. Brodhead is a very small town and > the airport is to the south of the main hwy just west of the > McDonalds. This is an informal event, they sell buttons, $5, to > help with expenses. There is also a Hatz bi plane flying on the > other end of the field. Also there are some mighty nice planes > making fuel stops on the way to OSH.> Dick N.

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Ken,Nice pictures of your rib setup.Your comments raised one question about the Riblett airfoil that I had not yet been able to ask that maybe you or Mr. Lowell could address.Mark Roberts mentioned a related issue in one of his posts.I see that you are setting your ribs relative to the chord line. This makes sense to me - if I understand things correctly, this sets the ribs at zero incidence relative to the spars, ands any change in incidence would then be set by adjusting the struts. Are you also then setting your spars at 90 degrees to the chord line? Again, I assume you would because that would make the most sense.Thanks!Kip GardnerOn Jul 7, 2009, at 4:56 AM, Ken Howe wrote:> As promised, here's a few pictures of my rib building. First of > all, I decided not use use staples or nails for gluing the gussets. > Instead I'm simply using a steel weight to apply the minimum > pressure that System Three says to use with T-88. The weights came > from a local scrap yard - old bolts and sawed up chunks of a 1 > 3/16" rod. I ran then over a 50 grit belt on my sander to get rid > of the rust and make a reasonably flat surface. To prevent > permanently gluing blocks of steel to my ribs I cut 3" squares of 4 > mil poly to place over each gusset. The epoxy is slippery enough > that I just tugged this way and that on the weighted piece of poly > until the gusset was just where I wanted it.>> The final two shots are my approach to blocking at the trailing > edge and around the front spar. As mentioned on the 'can of worms' > thread, the Riblett section is thicker than the original Piet > section. I've decided size the spars per the plans and use spacer's > for the difference. The rear spar sits directly on the bottom > capstrip, and there's a small space between the top of the spar and > the upper strip. The airfoil section at the front spar location is > significantly thicker on the Riblett, and most of the extra is > below the chord line. I've sized a block to fit under the spar. > There will be just a small triangular space above the spar. I'll > fill above both spars with wedges when I fit the ribs on to the > spars. These pictures were taken with the first side glued up and > the rib flipped over and sitting in a simple jig to hold it > securely for gluing the second side. I've also inserted a wedge at > the trailing edge to make that a secure joint.>> --Ken Rib-0006-20090705.jpg> Rib-0009-20090706.jpg>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Thanks for bringing that up, Ryan. I don't know anything current about fuel at Brodhead.Dick----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
If someone could please find out the fuel situation at Brodhead and post itto the list, that would be helpful - it will make some difference to me, asto whether I stop at Poplar Grove for fuel before landing at Brodhead.Last year I went to Monroe for fuel. Not too bad and not too far away, butit is much simpler if they have fuel at Brodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JP-----Original Message-----