Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the twolocations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some buildershave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, toavoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is thatit is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This willprevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soakedwith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for thefuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is amahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as Aircraftply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and ismanufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to thelower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, andavailable in 4' x 8' sheets.A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.b ... d.com/Bill C." rel=nofollowtarget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... cs.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution__ ... __________

Original Posted By: Ken Howe
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).=C2-Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and available in 4' x 8' sheets.=C2-A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:=C2-=C2-http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.b ... m/=C2-Bill C. =C2- =C2-" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... s.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ntribution =C2-________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:43:52 -0700

Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the twolocations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some buildershave opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, toavoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is thatit is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This willprevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soakedwith water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for thefuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is amahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as Aircraftply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and ismanufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to thelower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, andavailable in 4' x 8' sheets.A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply: http://www.noahsmarine.com/ http://www.boulterplywood.com/Bill C." target=_blankrel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... s.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contributionht ... ntribution" target=_blankrel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... s.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contributionht ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere wit

Original Posted By: shad bell
Subject: Pietenpol-List: About Bill's LandingHere's the real story.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere ...I am on the perpetual 2 year moving schedule, but the 85 year sounds better than doable to make Brodhead, Lord willing and the creeks don't riseJohnsafe in the morning________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:54:54 -0500

Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Mike, I'll try again for 2010. Between weather and my wife's medical status didn't make Brodhead this year--Jim Lagowski, N.W. Mich, NX221PT with ~30 hours. ----- Original Message -----

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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere with your Pietenpol ?that's great--- we can look forward to seeing Douwe and Dan's new Pietenpols in2010.Since the weather held me back a full two days from arriving Thursday afternoonat BrodheadI am already planning on next year and getting there a bit early (probably by car)to enjoywhat I didn't get to enjoy this year. Was only there on the grounds 20 hours or so-- at best at Brodhead. Not enough.Mike C. And OSCAR ???????????????????????????? Hmmmmmmmmm ????????????? Oscar withhis spankingnew 75 horse engine Oscar--- yes THAT Oscar ? What say YE regarding 2010 ? And Corky-- theGentleman from Louisiana-- will we ever get to meet you and your bride Isabelle--eveniffith youcommeth by car or camper ? ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere wi

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Lord help you.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
What Mike said... no kidding... he's serious.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere wit

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Seriously? Not in 2010... absolutely plan to make the 85th. I would really like to make the 82nd, but if not, I won't be too disappointed.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's visiting Helsper ?And if you go out for dinner with Jim beware if all of a sudden he has to go tothe men'sroom just before the check arrives----then you never see him again. When did Jim get on the work-release program ? I'll bet that ankle braceletgets allsweaty on hot days in Oklahoma Jim. Ah, I can't run Jim like this into the ground-- he's a great guy. You'll enjoyhim andhe's got a good sense of humor. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's visiting Helsper ?

Original Posted By: "Terry Bowden"
See... you shouldn't encourage him Mike. He was doing good.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle's visiting Helsper ?

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
I can attest that he will eventually return your tools. But you might have towait until he sells his farm and has to pack up to move. Only then might he runacross your Nicopress Squeezer somewhere in his shop.You know we are just trying to push your buttons Jim.I still haven't had the chance to squeeze any sleeves... but dad gummit... I amgetting back on the Piet this Fall no matter what!Terry--------Terry L. Bowden254-715-4773http://terry-bowden.blogspot.com/Pietenpol A-75 "HopGrasser"Taylorcraft BC12-D N95598Curtiss Robin C-1 NR82HRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: squeezing sleevesI LOVE my nicopress squeezing tool. It was well worth the $185 bucks or whateverit cost me. I just had to replace a few cables before Brodhead and man...does that thing everdo a nice job. I had to look back at my Tony Bingelis books to see what order you do the squeezingon the 1/8"three- squeeze jobs. Love Tony's suggestion of cutting off/ nipping off the sharp ends of the thimblestoo so you canget a nice tight fit of the thimble up against the nicopress sleeve. Two of the best tools I've ever purchased for the Pietenpol-- the nicopress tooland cable cutters. I rarely, rarely loan either of those out. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: squeezing sleeves

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Jim, if you are reading this... can I borrow your borrowed Nicopress squeezer?LOL! The EAA guys over here told me not to buy any tools... everything I need shouldbe on the field. That was nice of them, but there is more of a story to be toldwhen using "hot" tools. I've got a hard drive I'll trade ya for a deposit.Ha ha!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle's visiting Helsper ?Hey,Why is Markel wearing a head set to drive the farm jeep around the property? is that some kind of new requirement for farming or cant her hear theC&W station on the radio over the missing muffler?Jimmy you got a lot of splainin to do.John ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:35:50 -0400 (EDT)

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Here's the real story.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere with your Pietenpol ?Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:56:00 -0400

Original Posted By: airlion

Original Posted By: Roman Bukolt
Thanks for the update glad Bill and his young Eagles are okayJohnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-li
If you use small pieces of plywood, you will need to glue them together with scarf joints to retain the strength required.=C2- I did this in my floorboard. As I recall, I used an 8:1 scarf, so for =C2=BC=9D ply, the scarf was 2=9D wide.=C2-Jack PhillipsNX899JP=C2-

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jorge,All the 1/8" plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purchasedlocally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay Areathat is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood was$25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let meknow.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.) _____

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
B=85or 2011Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down=85) _____

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,You didn't manage to snag a spare set of those seat belt and shoulderharnesses from that DC3, did you? Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Mikeeeeee:I THINK I am on track to make it next year.Gene ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 85th Anniversary of Pietenpol design-- will YOU bethere with your Pietenpol ?Beautiful ! We've got a BUNCH OF NEW Pietenpols to look forward to next year.That's it-I'm packing my Stratolounger lawn chair in the car and my cooler and I'm going to sit out there withJeff Boatright (unless he flies up in 2010 with his Piet) and take videos of you guys all doing landings and takeoffswithout a video camera.You can do it Gene.....prioritize man:)PS-we'll be grading landings like they do during Olympic events.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CA257A.675B3970]________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:17:18 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Yes I hope to be there. I hope to fly sometime late 2010 as I am retired and canbuild every(almost) day. I am not setting a time as I don't want to take anyshortcuts that affect quality or appearance. Still waiting on AS for wood package.--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009using Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
When I said I wasn't setting a time I meant....wellll if it takes to 2012 to doit right...OK. Late 2010 looks reasonable. That may change stay tuned. In themid eighties I built my home (10 months) I decided to build my own red oak cabinets.It took me 6 weeks when I thought it might take 2!--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs all doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good engine choice for that elevation. Buy it and overhaul it yourself.These engines are pretty simple. Buy the Mattituck video on overhauling anO-200 Continental. There's not much different between the smallContinentals and the small Lycomings, other than the method of securing thepushrod tubes. Buy the overhaul manual, or I can send you a pdf of theO-235 manual. Buy new bearings, new oil seal, new cylinder O-rings, newgaskets. Figure on sending the cylinders out for work unless you can do ityourself. Upper end you will spend about $800 apiece if the cylinders arejunk. Send the crankcase to Divco for overhaul (they will mill down thefaces to make it dead flat, then rebore the crankshaft and camshaftbearings). Aircraft Specialties is probably the best at overhaulingcrankshafts and camshafts. Put new magnetos on it and have the carburetoroverhauled. You can end up with a really good engine for less than $10,000.Jack PhillipsNX899JP _____