Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes apretty good push to raise it up into the slipstreamin flight.I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the groundthough; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.That has happened to me and I got some damage to thepiano hinge on the flop section.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: H RULE
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flopanother question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control surfacefor dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?Okay , Bill C jump right in there!JohnIn a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes apretty good push to raise it up into the slipstreamin flight.I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the groundthough; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.That has happened to me and I got some damage to thepiano hinge on the flop section.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:26:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Original Posted By: H RULE
Well I went over and saw the Taylorcraft yesterday. Forgot my camera...so I tookabout 4 pics with my cell-phone. Now if I could just figure out how to sendthe pictures from my cell phone. [Rolling Eyes]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: centersection flopAt present my wheels do not have any braking so I was considering that for situations where wheel brakes may come in handy, its already there , why not make full use of it?In a message dated 10/1/2009 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ken@cooper-mtn.com writes:Does a Piet need a speed brake! another question, Can the flop if designed to be more sturdy in its mounting, serve an additional function and be used as a flight control surfacefor dynamic braking similar to a speed brake in ground application?Okay , Bill C jump right in there!JohnIn a message dated 10/1/2009 12:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga I have never latched the centersection flop on 41CC.It does not lift up in flight; in fact, it takes apretty good push to raise it up into the slipstreamin flight.I do not leave the flop flipped up when on the groundthough; it is very easy for a wind gust to catch it.That has happened to me and I got some damage to thepiano hinge on the flop section.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ======================== Use the ties Day ======================= - MATRONICSWEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; ========================= ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... istics.com .matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:44:45 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: starter for no-electrics engines

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mostly I use my brakes for parking. I doubt an airbrake would be of muchuse.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You could wind up in the "Deadman's Corner," that place at altitude wherecritical Mach and stall TAS cross over. It has killed a few early Lear 24pilots and lost at least one U-2; both apparently similar in performance toJohn's imaginary Piet. _____

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Not sure about the brake usage, but on the other comment I say, "Harumph!"Amsafetyc wrote:> I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have one and notneed it rather then than need one and not have it.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
I use my speed brakes every time I fly. In fact, I use them the whole flight.The thing has speed brakes all over it! Seriously, the only time I use the wheelbrakes is for run-up and while taxiing on pavement. It just rolls and rollson pavement with the tall tires. On roll out in the landing it just kindof slows down to a fast taxi and then just kinda keeps going at that speed. Soyeah Jack, just taxi and run up, never really used them to slow the airplaneon roll out.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of those to make up for your harumphing. ;)RyanSent from my mobile deviceOn Oct 1, 2009, at 2:01 PM, "K5YAC" wrote:>> Not sure about the brake usage, but on the other comment I say, > "Harumph!">>> Amsafetyc wrote:>> I suppose its like the gun preference argument. I prefer to have >> one and not need it rather then than need one and not have it.>>> --------> Mark - working on wings>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Not sure if you understood, Ryan... harumph in our neck of the woods is a goodthing. As in Blazing Saddles, I am showing my approval (maybe I misunderstoodthat scene). I've got a small arsenal here... as an ex-grunt, I like talkingguns... look forward to comparing notes next July. ;-)Harumphing... LOL!Ryan Mueller wrote:> It's ok Mark. I've got more than enough of those to make up for your harumphing.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
For those who have never seen it, here is the Harumph scene from Blazing Saddles. Kind of reminds you of how things are going nowadays. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cje17OGnQ&NR=1PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:04:34 -0400

Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
I've seen a lot of people mention to add 1/16"th ply to reinforce the end ribs of each wing panel and center section. I don't see this anywhere in the plans - is it only to terminate the covering or is there another reason. The plans call for extra braces... Also=2C it calls for 1 1/4" x 1/16"thk. ply to be added to the top of the center section and inboard end ribs. The center section plans call out 3/16" thk. capstrip in this area - my ribs are all 1/4 x 1/2. Will adding 1/16" to the top be a problem? Thanks=2CTom B.Brooklyn Park=2C MNworking on the center section ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop

Original Posted By: "David Paule"
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
You bet, beers and BS. As for the Markle... I have no idea if he will join us.He's a slippery fella... you know, being the scoundrel that he is. He is certainlywelcome any time.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: centersection flop

Original Posted By: H RULE
I hear that the Blazing Saddles campfire scene is real similar to the west sideof the field at Brodhead. "Knock on barbed wire before entering"--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: Dallas
Ryan,Sorry about the breach of etiquette, but I figured anytime somebody mentions BlazingSaddles, the campfire scene is the first thing they think of. And come tothink of it, I did hear something, and then smelled something awful coming fromthe west side of the field at Brodhead airport (I was on the east side). Well, enough of that. "Rest your sphincters."PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:08:36 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing

Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: One vs Three piece wing

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
"Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?"We don't need no stinking archive-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
No Comment....John HofmannVice-President, Information TechnologyThe Rees Group, Inc.2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800Madison, WI 53718Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.comOn Oct 2, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:> >>> "Have some more saurkraut, Mr Hofmann?">>> We don't need no stinking archive>> -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Dave Aldrich

Original Posted By: Dallas
DallasI have built both the one and three piece wings. Next time it will be a one piece. It is easy to transport on a roof rack on the pick up truck, takes less time to build and is easier to set up and balance.Just my opinion.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Michael Perez