Original Posted By: "A&PBuggy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visit> > Hi - Hope to visit Austin this weekend on Sunday, Jan 17. I plan to fly to Lockhart(1/2 hour south of Austin, an hour north of San Antonio). > The goal is to meet The Girl at about 1130 at the airport and get > lunch. Anyone who'd like to join us is welcome. I'll post on > Sunday morning before leaving to verify that I'm going to try it.> > Best regards,> Kevin Purtee> 512-422-6371> NX899KP> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 582#281582> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Pietenpol-List: New to site
Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By: "A&PBuggy"
You're right. I have the same plan.What I referred to was another steel tube layout which my plane NX20795 was apparently built from and must have been drawn up by the builder, Ray Hill, of Baxter, IA.Sorry about the missleading information.On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Roman,>> Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the > family approx 2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage > in the normal packet of plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I > didn't redo the math, but that should be what it adds up to on 2 of > the 3 views). Then there is the steel fuselage on one of the > supplemental plans sheets (the one with side view labeled 1937 Air > Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the overall length of that > to be 13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your plans shows a > steel tube fuselage at 14' 2"?>> Ryan>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt > wrote:> My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel > tube fuselage that is 14' 2"> NX20795> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:>>> Jim,>>>> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage >> Piets out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans >> go:>>>> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick >> list of the various fuselages there are plans for:>>>> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel>> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood>> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood>>>> Ryan>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash >> wrote:>>>>>> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of >> wood?>>>> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f >> fuselage was synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going >> through the supplemental drawings to add up tubing lengths to put >> together a Dillsburg order, and now I see the t&f fuselage is >> actually a couple inches shorter than the standard wood.>>>> Jim Ash>>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution>>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site
You're right. I have the same plan.What I referred to was another steel tube layout which my plane NX20795 was apparently built from and must have been drawn up by the builder, Ray Hill, of Baxter, IA.Sorry about the missleading information.On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:56 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Roman,>> Just flipped through my Pietenpol plans again, purchased from the > family approx 2-3 years ago....there is the standard wood fuselage > in the normal packet of plans, which comes out to roughly 13' 7" (I > didn't redo the math, but that should be what it adds up to on 2 of > the 3 views). Then there is the steel fuselage on one of the > supplemental plans sheets (the one with side view labeled 1937 Air > Camper with 1960 Corvair), and it gives the overall length of that > to be 13' 5". Out of curiosity, what sheet in your plans shows a > steel tube fuselage at 14' 2"?>> Ryan>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Roman Bukolt > wrote:> My set of plans including the supplemental plans include a steel > tube fuselage that is 14' 2"> NX20795> On Jan 14, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:>>> Jim,>>>> I can't speak to whether or not there are steel tube long fuselage >> Piets out there off the top of my head.....but as far as the plans >> go:>>>> There are no plans for a steel tube long fuselage. Here's a quick >> list of the various fuselages there are plans for:>>>> Flying and Glider manual 13' 5" length: Wood and steel>> 1933 'Improved' approx 13' 7" length: Wood>> Supplemental plans long fuselage approx 14' 5": Wood>>>> Ryan>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jim Ash >> wrote:>>>>>> Has anybody built a long fuselage out of tube and fabric instead of >> wood?>>>> For some reason over the last couple years I thought the t&f >> fuselage was synonymous with the long fuselage. I was just going >> through the supplemental drawings to add up tubing lengths to put >> together a Dillsburg order, and now I see the t&f fuselage is >> actually a couple inches shorter than the standard wood.>>>> Jim Ash>>>>>>>>>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution>>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wantsa four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such athing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are smallyet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Gregaplans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want to use them or gowith original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:05:25 -0600
Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wantsa four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such athing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are smallyet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Gregaplans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I want to use them or gowith original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:05:25 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...)
Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the next day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They got off a bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they made the guy take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that the lakes in the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and closed to any use of motors. I checked the registeration and found the plane was from LeSuerre, Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear anything about the amount of the fine but I did hear the FAA said there were no FAA violations. There are many lakes in the metro area that are just fine for landing, just not in the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
No I don't know them. I saw the same report and drove down there the next day to see if they needed anything. They were already gone. They got off a bit lucky, the same thing happened a few years ago and they made the guy take the wings off and truck it out. The difference is that the lakes in the City of Minneapolis are part of the Park system and closed to any use of motors. I checked the registeration and found the plane was from LeSuerre, Mn. which is about 80 mi. away. I didn't hear anything about the amount of the fine but I did hear the FAA said there were no FAA violations. There are many lakes in the metro area that are just fine for landing, just not in the City limits of Mpls and St. Paul.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to siteBuggyI fly a Pietenpol, BUT, a very good airplane can be built using either sets of plans. The only negative is that often times the Grega comes out a little heavier than a Piet would. Some builders have used the best ideas from both sets of plans.. For what it is worth, if you have a good set of plans I would use them. Welcome to the group. I have had more fun flying my Piet than any other airplane I have flown. Jim BallewN38BOklahoma In a message dated 1/15/2010 12:06:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, bcjohnston(at)charter.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "A&PBuggy" Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I wantto use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to siteBuggyI fly a Pietenpol, BUT, a very good airplane can be built using either sets of plans. The only negative is that often times the Grega comes out a little heavier than a Piet would. Some builders have used the best ideas from both sets of plans.. For what it is worth, if you have a good set of plans I would use them. Welcome to the group. I have had more fun flying my Piet than any other airplane I have flown. Jim BallewN38BOklahoma In a message dated 1/15/2010 12:06:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, bcjohnston(at)charter.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "A&PBuggy" Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants a four place so the kids can ride too but, there is no way to afford such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often, the kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02, not sure if I wantto use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: skis, again (or, Those Crazy Minnesotans...)
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
here is the story:http://wcco.com/crime/lake.calhoun.airp ... tmlMichael in Maine----- Original Message -----
here is the story:http://wcco.com/crime/lake.calhoun.airp ... tmlMichael in Maine----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Buggy,You have a great wife, she enjoys flying! Both aircraft are very good, I'mpartial to the Pietenpol, I like the design and you will get more supportfrom this list. I started with an RV8, building it to the stage of buyingan engine. Holy cow, I had two boys in college and couldn't afford theengine and prop. Sold it and started the Piet. It is quite an endeavor,Building a kit (RV8) is much easier, plans really challenge you. I'mbuilding a long fuselage version and planning a 0200 for power. To savemoney you can utilize a C65 which can be very affordable and reliable. Ifyou go with a 65 you will want to build it very light. When light, thePietenpol performs well with a 65. This list is the best resource availablewhen building a Piet without question! Utilize the list archives; they havea bundle of helpful information. One last thought. When you strap the kidsup front make sure you plan to have a removable stick. Oh... when youfinish your project they may be a little larger, just put one up front.Good luck,JackDSMwww.textors.com-----Original Message-----
Buggy,You have a great wife, she enjoys flying! Both aircraft are very good, I'mpartial to the Pietenpol, I like the design and you will get more supportfrom this list. I started with an RV8, building it to the stage of buyingan engine. Holy cow, I had two boys in college and couldn't afford theengine and prop. Sold it and started the Piet. It is quite an endeavor,Building a kit (RV8) is much easier, plans really challenge you. I'mbuilding a long fuselage version and planning a 0200 for power. To savemoney you can utilize a C65 which can be very affordable and reliable. Ifyou go with a 65 you will want to build it very light. When light, thePietenpol performs well with a 65. This list is the best resource availablewhen building a Piet without question! Utilize the list archives; they havea bundle of helpful information. One last thought. When you strap the kidsup front make sure you plan to have a removable stick. Oh... when youfinish your project they may be a little larger, just put one up front.Good luck,JackDSMwww.textors.com-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Austin Visit
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I would liketo build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4 yrs old),takes alot of time and $$$! Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want tobuild one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time during thewinter months. I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and gen/alt.Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is itjust easier?Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply?Extended fuse or not?Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan.Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Austin Visit
Thanks for the replies guys, It's great to see that you are building! I would liketo build many different planes but raising two young girls (3&4 yrs old),takes alot of time and $$$! Having plans in hand already, and always liking the pietenpol, I really want tobuild one!!! I have a 28x48 garage to work in and have alot of time during thewinter months. I would like to run an 65 or 85 in it, at least something with a starter and gen/alt.Are most guys building the 3 piece wing due to workspace restrictions or is itjust easier?Who has the best quality/price on spruce & ply?Extended fuse or not?Sorry for all the questions all at once but I want to get a good game plan.Thanks, Buggy.--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Austin Visit
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
No worries, Tim. When you're in better circumstances I'll fly to Kittie Hill orGeorgetown. Hope your wife feels better!KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:46:46 -0800 (PST)
No worries, Tim. When you're in better circumstances I'll fly to Kittie Hill orGeorgetown. Hope your wife feels better!KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:46:46 -0800 (PST)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Buggy,Are you frugal with your $$$? Is cost a consideration? A majorconsideration? I am....and it is for me.Others, like me, are building with Poplar, or some other close equivalent toAC Spruce. I locally bought all my wood for the frame for around$300...plywood extra. Spars are locally purchased fir for $150.Others, like me, are choosing to power their Dream Machines with self-builtCorvair engines (www.flycorvair.com). Heck, others, like me, are making their own props! Mine is Hickory...cost,with glue, about $100.Not all on this list will agree, or may encourage you to take a moreconventional route...but the option is there, and you will find all the helpyou need, no matter what direction you choose. There are some truly giftedindividuals on this list, who freely give great advice. I hope the bug bites you, as it did me, 35 years ago, but that you answer toit far sooner than did I. I spent 1 year on my Corvair, and 20 months, sofar on my airframe...and it has been pure pleasure!Long fuse, 3 piece wingGary BootheCool, CaPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear16 ribs done-----Original Message-----
Buggy,Are you frugal with your $$$? Is cost a consideration? A majorconsideration? I am....and it is for me.Others, like me, are building with Poplar, or some other close equivalent toAC Spruce. I locally bought all my wood for the frame for around$300...plywood extra. Spars are locally purchased fir for $150.Others, like me, are choosing to power their Dream Machines with self-builtCorvair engines (www.flycorvair.com). Heck, others, like me, are making their own props! Mine is Hickory...cost,with glue, about $100.Not all on this list will agree, or may encourage you to take a moreconventional route...but the option is there, and you will find all the helpyou need, no matter what direction you choose. There are some truly giftedindividuals on this list, who freely give great advice. I hope the bug bites you, as it did me, 35 years ago, but that you answer toit far sooner than did I. I spent 1 year on my Corvair, and 20 months, sofar on my airframe...and it has been pure pleasure!Long fuse, 3 piece wingGary BootheCool, CaPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear16 ribs done-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Buggy,That garage sounds great; I'm utilizing a family room. It's also good tohave extra time in the winter. I made the commitment to work on mine daily,even if it's only an hour. I can't believe the progress being made now. Itoo wanted a starter and shopping for a 0200 currently. I'm shying awayfrom the 85 because parts are getting harder to find for them. Take Ryan'sadvice, the archives are fantastic. Type in a search string and voilainstant gratification! You will find definite opinions on EVERYTHING. Inmy opinion staying close the plans, using quality wood and staying with aaircraft engine is the way to go.JackDSM -----Original Message-----
Buggy,That garage sounds great; I'm utilizing a family room. It's also good tohave extra time in the winter. I made the commitment to work on mine daily,even if it's only an hour. I can't believe the progress being made now. Itoo wanted a starter and shopping for a 0200 currently. I'm shying awayfrom the 85 because parts are getting harder to find for them. Take Ryan'sadvice, the archives are fantastic. Type in a search string and voilainstant gratification! You will find definite opinions on EVERYTHING. Inmy opinion staying close the plans, using quality wood and staying with aaircraft engine is the way to go.JackDSM -----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By:> bcjohnston(at)charter.net
When my son Mike started our project 2 years ago I was not impressed but went into it with him to have a father and son project. Well=2C there is something about this Pietenpol thing that gets to you. A great network and the plane itself has a great reputation within the flying community. I have since bought into the project as a partner. We are building the long version=2C 3 piece wing from plans purchased from the Pietenpol family. we did add the door to the front so an old guy (me) can get into the front. We are building with spruce because we feel the difference in weight and strength will pay for the difference in material cost over the years. We did use poplar for the rear deck as I had a couple hundred feet in stock and it is not really structural. Since I already had poplar we could have done the whole thing in poplar but it is not quite as strong. Granted=2C the design is over built and it probably would be plenty strong. We are using a rebuilt junk yard Corvair engine in order to have enough power to lift 2 large guys at one time. If you decide to go with a Piet you will have access to a lot of help. Vic> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site
When my son Mike started our project 2 years ago I was not impressed but went into it with him to have a father and son project. Well=2C there is something about this Pietenpol thing that gets to you. A great network and the plane itself has a great reputation within the flying community. I have since bought into the project as a partner. We are building the long version=2C 3 piece wing from plans purchased from the Pietenpol family. we did add the door to the front so an old guy (me) can get into the front. We are building with spruce because we feel the difference in weight and strength will pay for the difference in material cost over the years. We did use poplar for the rear deck as I had a couple hundred feet in stock and it is not really structural. Since I already had poplar we could have done the whole thing in poplar but it is not quite as strong. Granted=2C the design is over built and it probably would be plenty strong. We are using a rebuilt junk yard Corvair engine in order to have enough power to lift 2 large guys at one time. If you decide to go with a Piet you will have access to a lot of help. Vic> Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to site
Pietenpol-List: New to site
Original Posted By: jeremy bramall
Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
If you're in Da UP, check out the EAA chapter in Iron Mountain. At least one guythere has built a Pietenpol and they are a very active chapter, or were anyway.I know it's a hike from Ironwood to IMT but I'm betting it'll be worth it.Don't remember the chapter number. Good luck and welcome to the club.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
If you're in Da UP, check out the EAA chapter in Iron Mountain. At least one guythere has built a Pietenpol and they are a very active chapter, or were anyway.I know it's a hike from Ironwood to IMT but I'm betting it'll be worth it.Don't remember the chapter number. Good luck and welcome to the club.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visit
Original Posted By: kevinpurtee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visitah My boys have a flag football game. I may bug my son in to flying down but itwill be post 1500 if at all. Blue skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Austin Visitah My boys have a flag football game. I may bug my son in to flying down but itwill be post 1500 if at all. Blue skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: A&PBuggy
BuggyWelcome to the light side. Fyi, I'm building with poplar and really like it. Onceyou begin working with it I think you'll find it a nice wood to work with andmore than suitable for your needs. John------Original Message------
BuggyWelcome to the light side. Fyi, I'm building with poplar and really like it. Onceyou begin working with it I think you'll find it a nice wood to work with andmore than suitable for your needs. John------Original Message------
Pietenpol-List: Re: New to site
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
I know Dave well, He gave me the plans I have. I have not seen his finished plane,might have to take a ride and check it out!!--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:11:06 -0500
I know Dave well, He gave me the plans I have. I have not seen his finished plane,might have to take a ride and check it out!!--------never enough hours in the day.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:11:06 -0500
Original Posted By: santiago morete
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> r.net>> > Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants a four place so the kids can ride too but=2C there is no way to afford such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often=2C the kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02=2C not sure if I want to use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks=2C Buggy.> > --------> never enough hours in the day.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 657#281657> > > > > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:32 -0800 (PST)
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> r.net>> > Hi everyone! Really been kicking around the idea of building a plane. Wife wants a four place so the kids can ride too but=2C there is no way to afford such a thing. Have been coming back to the Pietenpol idea more often=2C the kids are small yet so they both will fit in front cockpit. Or one at a time. I have Grega plans that were given to me back in 02=2C not sure if I want to use them or go with original plans. Any advice and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated! Thanks=2C Buggy.> > --------> never enough hours in the day.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 657#281657> > > > > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Hotmail: Free=2C trusted and rich email service.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:32 -0800 (PST)