Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
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Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Way to go, Dan! As soon as you get those auto-engine conversion problemsfixed you'll be fine. Looking forward to sheeing you and your new plane atBrodhead.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC _____

Original Posted By: "GliderMike"
Matthew,Thanks for sharing your project with us. I'm looking forward to watching your progressand seeing this historic ship flying again.John--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Dan,It sounds like the air isn't getting hot enough (yes, I have firm grasp of the obvious!). Here's an easy thing to try - block off 1/2 your air inlet on the carb muff can. Duct tape should suffice. That'll allow the air that does get in to warm up better. What are the springs in the can constructed of? Stainless doesn't conduct heat nearly as well as aluminum - make some aluminum springs if you don't have them already. Have fun, be safe,Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn Jun 26, 2010, at 8:17 PM, helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:> So l lined up with the end of the grass runway 27 at Poplar Grove at 6:30 am, safety crew at the ready. Winds were dead calm after the squall lines had passed about two hours before. A distinct line of "clear" was moving our way from the northwest. It was just me and machine, pockita-pockita-pockita-pockita....... lowered my head and said a quick prayer, then gave her the gun. She slowly accelerated, raised the tail at 200 ft.,.. got to the top of the crest and a little back pressure, and we were flying. Climb-out was brisk and I was at 600 ft. before I came to my senses and came back to focus on what I was supposed to be concentrating on. Couldn't hardly believe what was happening myself. Tried to stay right over the airport just in case. Round and round and round....left turns I was sure she could do. The machine is good, she flies fine like an airplane should. I was holding considerable back pressure just to keep her level with the horizon. Adjusted my elevator trim and it helped a little, but not nearly enough. My mind was racing... can't figure out why I am nose heavy, when I calculated that the CG would be only 2" in front of the most aft CG limit. At any rate, I finally got tired of doing circles and gathered my courage to attempt the first landing. By that time it became very apparent that my airspeed indicator was reading way too low. 45 MPH in level flight. So on my approach I could not depend on it and could only go by instincts, experience, and the singing of the wires. For this reason I came in purposefully high and fast, figuring I could depend on the good 'ol Piet to do its draggy thing to get me slow and down after I chopped the throttle. Proceeded in that vein and when I was sure I could make the field I chopped power to idle....and she sputtered and went quiet!!!! My first dead-stick ever. Landed about 3 ft. AGL and dropped her in, but all was OK. Coasted over toward the crowd and stopped short, the prop as still as a corpse. One of the wise guys in the crew yells out "could you bring her over a bit closer?".... There is always one.> > So I climbed out, and congratulations were given and accepted all around. A major milestone indeed, but only the beginning of "Phase II". Adjusted the idle speed up a little, but in my gut I knew that it wasn't the solution. The A was running perfectly on the ground in all parameters, but not in flight. So I taxied down again and took off, again successfully with plenty of power and pull. Noticed that I was discharging some water out of the overflow during climb-out and when I throttled back it subsided. Water temps were about 185 first flight, and a little higher in each subsequent flight. I surmised that this was from me losing a little water each climbout. So there I went, mostly left turns, with an occasional right thrown in, but always directly over the field. Four t-offs and landings in all, and flight time was about two hours in all, that outing. Went back to base and discussed engine problem with the Model A car Guru that lives behind. He was puzzled by the whole thing. Symptoms were, when in level flight everything was normal, but when I throttled back to almost the idle stop, she begins to sputter and would surely quit each time, if I didn't goose it a bit. On the ground, I called Douwe and had a discussion about same. He told me to raise the tail on the ground (as in flight) to see if I could duplicate the problem. Could not duplicate it in any fashion, as she ran perfect in every way.> > Noticed another problem, a pretty substantial oil leakage. It was enough that I did not feel I could continue to fly it that way without an attempted fix. So at the present time, I have the prop and cowls removed, to try to isolate this big leak. I will clean it all up sparkly, and the spray some foot powder all over the suspected areas. Will run it without cowls for a few minutes to detect leakage areas. At least then I will know what I am up against on that front.> > Then Douwe calls me back and tells me that he suspects it was carb ice. This makes sense to me, because I never ran it at high RPMS for that long on the ground for any ice to form. I did for sure see a lot of condensation on the intake manifold in flight, enough so that it kept spraying onto my windscreen. Now what to try I don't know. I have one of those perpetual carb heat cans a-la Ken Perkins. Inside the can I have 1/2" diameter springs wound around the #1 exhaust stack, to pick-up the heat and transfer it to the intake air. Any Ideas?> > So it was a good day. I proved that my airplane flies. I proved that I could fly it and land it. Now on to fixing the probs. The oil leaks are the big thing.> > Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, IL.> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Congratulations Dan on the flight. Glad everything worked out. It really getsquiet when the fire goes out doesn't it? Good luck with the minor problems.I personally think the oil leaks are always the toughest thing to fix.--------HOMEBUILDERWill WORK for SpruceLong flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
J,To add to what Ryan said, Corvair racing guys are looking for the parts wedon't want. You should have no problem trading out, or selling the wrongcranks and heads....worked great for me, at least.Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear19 ribs done-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Larry Morlock"
Joe:You do NEED the long crank and the right heads... no getting aroundthat...anything other than the right heads will not give you the rated powerand the 110 no smog heads as outlined in the previous links are the onlyones useable for the aircraft operating parameter as a direct drive. If Irecall correctly all others have a different combustion chamber profile,provide different compression ratios and are much to prone to detonation orpreigniton that will kill the engine in seconds...and lead to a bad day....First thing you need to do is buy the William Wynne manual...http://www.flycorvair.com/manual.html50$ well spent and it will help you define whether you are willing and ableto commit building the Corvair engine.Read his site from end to end and you will pick up a lot...Mark Langford's page is also worth reading from end to endhttp://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/If the engine is free take it home clean it off, and take it apart... its isworth the experience just to learn how they go together.make sure the head bolts do not spin in the case when you disassembleit....or you will trash the caseIf I am not wrong the Z code block is the one odd ball made pre and post65... open the top cover and look for the #8409 stamped on the crank.if it has the long crank #8409 you are in good shape as the case is thenuseable as well provided there is no damage to either and they arerefurbishable...the heads NEED to be the right ones....once you dissect the free engine and you determine what the useable partsare, put the other bits up for sale on Ebay...more on donor engines from Mark:http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvai ... htmlClarks Corvair does take used parts in trade if they can refurbish them...soall the bits have some value...http://www.corvair.comMichael----- Original Message ----- >> Not to beat this to death, or over question this, I honestly just want toknow:> Do i HAVE to have the long throw crank, and a post 65 110hp no smogengine?> My buddy's dad said i could have a Z block with a not "desirable" headserial number.> But if I did a head job, and a proper intake exhaust, ign, ect. Why wouldthis particular engine not work?>> Again he is going to give it to me! And I doubt that our piet would getabused real hard.> Thanks for all the info guys!> Joe>________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Hi JoeShould you need one, I've got two spare forged 8409 cranks ready to get machinedand nitrided. I got mine done at a place in Michigan for $325 and it is beautiful.I also have a bunch of other stuff usable as core for Clark's, Contactme off-line dgaldrich(at)embarqmail.com if you're interested.Dave AldrichRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: "j_dunavin"
I read somewhere that the inlet area size of the carb heat shroud needs to be thesame as the outlet area size in order to get efficient carb "heat". Maybecheck that. I believe if you go fly, as soon as you land, you can check the carburetorand actually see ice too, if you had it. Just a thought.Good Luck! Sure is fun ain't it! I've flown into Poplar Grove a few times andit sure is a beautiful place to be testing.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: couple of new guy questions... Corvair engines

Original Posted By: "schuerrman"
Hello Everyone,I am the Scott that Gary speaks of. I hope I haven't upset anyone by doing lightacro in my Piet. I will start by saying that my plane only resembles a Pietfrom a short distance. My dad and I built it and made its first flight in 1972.It is a steel tube fuse and tail feathers. The wings are cub and builtto the Reed Clipped wing plans with squared off tips. The wing is a proven aerobaticdesign. A friend worked the numbers on my plane and determined that itis stressed about the same as a Cub. With that said, I only do positive G maneuversand limit them to Stalls, slow rolls and split S's. I no longer do loopssince it takes alot of airspeed and fair initial G load at the pull up toget it over the top. After all it does have wood spars that are from about 1946.Back in the early 70's a friend of our's that only weighed about 130 lbsdid 10 consecutive loops and maintained altitude. Now for those who are stillreading I will say two more things. My Operating Limitations say it is certifiedfor aerobatics with one person. The second is that I have flown many otherPiets and GN1's and would not consider doing acro in them. I am not that good.Piets, GN1's and everything in-between are great fun airplanes. About 1100hours on the plane and enjoying every minute of it.Happy Landings,Scott--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBroadhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
HA can you imagine if you would hit a dear with that?! [Shocked]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight! 1st dead stick landing...... ever

Original Posted By: "Baldeagle"
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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
I was driving through Poplar Grove today and stopped in to visit with Dan and see his Pietenpol."Wow" and "Gorgeous" don't even come close to describing his airplane. Dan has set the bar pretty high.....Greg CardinalP.S. Dan's hangar / workshop is equally impressive! ----- Original Message -----

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Juan,I'll be in the Dallas area for 3 nights, July 19-20, on business. Can't fitmy Piet in my suitcase, but would love to buy you dinner, if you have time!Gary BootheCool, CAPietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear20 ribs done