Original Posted By: CJ Borsuk
We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Willlikely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else fromhim. Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
RE: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By:> kevinpurtee
Kevin;Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
Kevin;Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com
Fellow Pieters,I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you withCorvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for the distanceof the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in any left thrust?I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage. Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Fellow Pieters,I am in the process of doing the motor mount for my Corvair. Those of you withCorvair engines and the long fuselage, what were your dimensions for the distanceof the rear motor mount holes to the firewall. Did you put in any left thrust?I weigh about 165 # and have built the long fuselage. Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: John Franklin
Rick,Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression.My 2 cents.JakeJake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mailRick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com08/10/2010 11:46 AMPlease respond topietenpol-list(at)matronics.comTopietenpol-list(at)matronics.comccSubjectRe: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateHere is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.rickOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him.Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ========st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ========le, List Admin.="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution==========-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:24:41 -0400 (EDT)
Rick,Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression.My 2 cents.JakeJake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com | Site: www.schneider-electric.com | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mailRick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com08/10/2010 11:46 AMPlease respond topietenpol-list(at)matronics.comTopietenpol-list(at)matronics.comccSubjectRe: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateHere is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.rickOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:kevin.purtee(at)us.army.mil>We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him.Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ========st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ========le, List Admin.="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution==========-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:24:41 -0400 (EDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By:> kevinpurtee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateI would like to see that too, I am considering using compression springs on a traveling post of sorts. Unfortunately I have not gotten it all figured out yet but still looking for great design options. Hans has a great looking build I saw it when I was too new to the process and had no idea whatI needed to look at. Fortunately I'll back in the Houston area in the next few months and may be able to sneak out another visit for the sole and shameless purpose of stealing great ideas.ThanksJohnIn a message dated 8/10/2010 12:51:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmforge(at)earthlink.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber" Kevin;Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateI would like to see that too, I am considering using compression springs on a traveling post of sorts. Unfortunately I have not gotten it all figured out yet but still looking for great design options. Hans has a great looking build I saw it when I was too new to the process and had no idea whatI needed to look at. Fortunately I'll back in the Houston area in the next few months and may be able to sneak out another visit for the sole and shameless purpose of stealing great ideas.ThanksJohnIn a message dated 8/10/2010 12:51:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmforge(at)earthlink.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Richard Schreiber" Kevin;Could you publish a quick sketch on how you plan on doing the springs?Rick Schreiber> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateActually the tubes going through the springs keep them centered very well. I made my units from the same drawings in 1995 and after many many take-offs and landings I haven't broken them yet. JimPietenpol N38BIn a message dated 8/10/2010 12:14:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com writes:Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: _jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com_ (mailto:jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com) | Site:_ www.schneider-electric.com_ (http://www.schneider-electric.com/) | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mailRick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond topietenpol-list(at)matronics.comTopietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ccSubjectRe: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateHere is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.rickOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him.Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 222#308222) ==========st" target="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ==========_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==========le, List Admin.="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==========-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateActually the tubes going through the springs keep them centered very well. I made my units from the same drawings in 1995 and after many many take-offs and landings I haven't broken them yet. JimPietenpol N38BIn a message dated 8/10/2010 12:14:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com writes:Rick, Very nice craftsmanship. The Only comment I have, and everyone feel free to tell me to shut up, based on my 30 years of building, fixing, repairing, vehicles, I would make 1 small change to the design, Find a couple of pieces of tubing with an ID of 1.75 and a wall of .12 or so, cut them about 1/2 an inch long and weld them to the washers, to form a cup that the spring sits in. while this may seem like a waste of time it will keep the spring centered and prevent it from offsetting during compression. My 2 cents. Jake Jake Spiegel | Schneider Electric | Information, Process & Organization (IPO) | Information Systems Analyst - Analyst Engineering Information Systems Phone: +319 369-6261 | Fax: +319 369-6657 | Mobile:+319-269-5813 Email: _jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com_ (mailto:jb.spiegel(at)us.schneider-electric.com) | Site:_ www.schneider-electric.com_ (http://www.schneider-electric.com/) | Address: 3700 6th St. SW, Cedar Rapids, IA 52338 USA *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mailRick Holland Sent by: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com 08/10/2010 11:46 AM Please respond topietenpol-list(at)matronics.comTopietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ccSubjectRe: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateHere is a design I used Kevin that I got from someone on the Piet list.rickOn Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:10 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it.Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials are coming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stolen everything else from him.Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.Axel--------Kevin PurteeNX899KPAustin/Georgetown, TXRead this topic online here:_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=308222#308222_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 222#308222) ==========st" target="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) ==========_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==========le, List Admin.="_blank">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==========-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________________________________________________This email has been scanned for SPAM content and Viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
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Thanks for the link HansRick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Thanks for the link HansRick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me...The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete.The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchasedabout a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full sizerib layout for the lower wing is included.I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor whereto locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed,as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and maybe copied at will.Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateDate: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:36:57 -0400
There already IS a Piet biplane, and I have a copy of the plans in front of me...The design was done in 1977 by one C. Wille, and appears to be pretty complete.The plans came with the original Pietenpol blueprints (NOT bluelines) I purchasedabout a year ago. The plan set consists of three sheets, and has 8 to10 paragraphs of build instructions, along with disclaimers, etc. The full sizerib layout for the lower wing is included.I'm not sure whether these can be duplicated, as they are bluelines, nor whereto locate C. Wille, but, since there is no copyright symbol, nor rights claimed,as with the Pietenpol plans, this would be considered public domain, and maybe copied at will.Let me know if anyone is interested, and I'll check into the cost of copying.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - UpdateDate: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:36:57 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update>>> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. >> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials arecoming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stoleneverything else from him. >> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.>> Axel>> --------> Kevin Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update>>> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. >> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials arecoming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stoleneverything else from him. >> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.>> Axel>> --------> Kevin Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update>>> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. >> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials arecoming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stoleneverything else from him. >> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.>> Axel>> --------> Kevin Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:19:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update>>> We hassled with the bungee donut idea over the weekend. Didn't like it. >> Bottom line: I'll replace the bungees with springs. Materials arecoming. Will likely use Hans Vander Voort's design, since I've stoleneverything else from him. >> Should be about 1.5 weekends of work.>> Axel>> --------> Kevin Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown, TX>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:19:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Single Strand of Bungee - Update