Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I must have missed this in the past, but in the newsletter I just received, There is a fundraising letter from Dick Weeden. This is one of the best causes that I have heard about lately and I plan on sending them a check for all of the money I would have given to political causes, and other charities this year. This is a cause that affects all of us and I think it is very worthwhile.Here is a reprint of the article.BPA Friends of 431 Fund Raiser ReminderWe've heard from Mike Weedon that there are some donations coming in- a few of them very generous. Thank you so much to those who have already donated to this worthy project and just a reminder that every bit helps.It's nice to know that in this day and age you can donate to a worthy project to which you will actually be able to see results.For those of you who havent been able make it to Brodhead yet, each year Chapter 431 really comes through for BPA and reaaly makes our reunion such a warm Pietenpol homecoming. Our gathering would not be possible without the efforts of the folks at Brodhead.Chapter 431 has been working on putting together the plans and finances for a meeting hall for a few years now. Things have not progressed as they had hoped. We discovered that with the current funding, even when the new meeting hall is erected, it would still have a dirt floor.BPA has initiated a Friends of 431 Fund to which our members can contribute any amount they can spare, to help raise the funds for a concrete pad for the new 431 Meeting Hall. With the membership we currently have of over 750 Piet people, we hope it is possible to support our at our home field in reaching their goal. Donations are not tax deductable, you are not going to get some return address labels or stickers in the mail- it's simply a voluntary "Thanks for the Memories" sort of gestureWon't you join us?Donations can be sent to: Mike Weedon, TreasurerEAA Chapter 431PO Box 304Brodhead, WI. 53520Please mark on your check or enclose a little notation that this donation is through the BPA Friends of 431 Fund. Mike is going to keep track of the total donations from our group so we can see how our efforts are coming along.I hope you all will contribute.ThanksDick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works

Original Posted By:----- Original Message ----- "K5YAC"
ream.net>I had similar problems with Dillsburg.=C2- I had been told that I could buy 4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce.=C2- Not true.=C2- On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotten 1/3 more from A/S at a lower price.=C2- I threw his flyer away.

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I had similar problems with Dillsburg. I had been told that I could buy 4130 sheet for the same price that Dillsbug sells to Aircraft Spruce. Not true. On the steel I bought from Dillsburg I could have gotten 1/3 more from A/S at a lower price. I threw his flyer away.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Can't speak to Dillsburg, but here in the Midwest KC Airparts is great!Always friendly and helpful. Fair prices and for me one day UPS groundshipping. They are fantastic! http://www.airpartsinc.com JackDSM-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: shad bell

Original Posted By: "Jack"
Jack, I did a bit of comparative shopping. In most things, Airparts is cheaper than A/S -- in some the reverse is true. ie AN3-11 (drilled) bolt is 0.30 at Airparts and 0.49 at A/S. AN3-11A (undrilled) A/S is 0.18 where Airparts is 0.20. Airparts sells 7X19 3/32 cable for 0.34 where A/S is 0.87 (Airparts doesn't list 7X7 3/32 cable). In the future I will check both before I order. Unfortunately, I have already bought stuff from A/S that I could possibly have gotten cheaper at Airparts. Thanks for the link.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Jack... Airparts was also recommended, and I have their catalog on hand too. Iwill keep it handy in the future. Shad... All the tubing we ordered was in full lenghts (18-20 feet), which was waymore than we needed, but the price breaks were enticing so we were willingto buy more and pay freight. Vogelsong lectured me several times at great lengthabout his desire to sell full lengths rather than cut lengths, which wouldrequire him to restock the drop. Bottom line there is that he has no idea whathe has on the rack, and he even told me so. There obviously aren't enough yellowpads at Office Depot to keep track of the mess he has going... another reasonhe might have considered a computer in the mid to late 80s. Time to givethat fax machine the ol heave-ho! Can't imagine what his desk must look like.We spoke almost daily for over a week due to his changing quotes and availabilityissues, but each time I had to remind him who I was, spell my name, etc.Might be a little sad if it weren't my time and money that I was spending.I priced steel tube at Dillsburg, Wicks, AS&S, Airparts, Trident Metals and E.M.Jorgensen. Dillsburg was by far the cheapest, but it means absolutely nothingif the product isn't available or if it arrives in unusable condition. I lacktwo sizes of tubing, which I will be ordering from AS&S today. Yes, a littlemore expensive than Dillsburg, but the second cheapest vendor on these particularsizes. This material might have originated from Dilsburg, but will itbe the same scratched and damaged stuff that WE received? I doubt that AS&Sor other reputable vendors would accept such garbage. If I did receive junkystuff from AS&S, I'm confident that their people would do whatever they couldto make things right... a spar comes to mind. In my profession, the products we make must work properly. If they fail to performaccurately and reliably, people lose lots of money... worst case, their lives.No one cares about cheap... they care about reliability... if we triedto sell a crappy product our business would suffer... the same is true for Dillsburg.This thread illustrates a small sample of the feedback I've received...several have sent me direct e-mails stating similar experiences. I appreciatethe fact the Mr. Vogelsong is a veteran of WWII, and that he has an interestingbackgroung in experimenting and supplying good products for our hobby, buthe should consider getting some help in the front office, maybe even the Internet,which shouldn't add too much to his overhead and might make his catalogand ordering department more accessable. I mean really, most of us have togo out of our way to find a fax machine nowadays, and it is NO way to carry ona conversation. I'm not trying to pound on Dillsburg, but there are enough hurdles and problemsto solve in this type of project. Not to mention that one of the reasons thatI am building is economy... I don't appreciate getting ripped off. I am alsothe newsletter editor for our EAA chapter, and I am sharing this same informationin this months issue with well over 100 members. Heck, I don't want themgetting ripped off either! Hopefully some of them will discuss or repost thisinformation in their circles or on their forums. Woops! Ya burnt a paratrooperthat likes to type Mr. Vogelsong... bad idea.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: shad bell
Oh yeah, he made sure that I was well aware of his status in the 4130 realm. Ireally didn't mind that so much... just took it as coming from an old fella thatwas proud of his accomplishments. Had I known that his mind was stuck inthe glory years I might have asked to speak to someone else, or not bothered tocall at all. [quote="Amsafetyc"]I guess he didn't remind you that he's the largest importer/supplierin the country and controls all of the 4130 supply in the country. Thatwas a bit hard to swallow for me, but after speaking with him and listeningto just how unfriendly and un leaning towards customer service he was, andthatt whole fax quote business.I decided not to order and if I really neededto buy from him I would go there and pick up what I needed. Fortunately I haven'thad to do that so far. I understand from others that you would be better served to speak with his sonrather then him. Apparently from what I have been told his son has a much bettergrasp on being cordial with the public. John In a message dated 1/9/2011 11:11:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hangar10(at)cox.netwrites:> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" > > Jack... Airparts was also recommended, and I have their catalog on hand too.I will keep it handy in the future. > > Shad... All the tubing we ordered was in full lenghts (18-20 feet), whichwas way more than we needed, but the price breaks were enticing so we werewilling to buy more and pay freight. Vogelsong lectured me several times atgreat length about his desire to sell full lengths rather than cut lengths,which would require him to restock the drop. Bottom line there is thathe has no idea what he has on the rack, and he even told me so. There obviouslyaren't enough yellow pads at Office Depot to keep track of the mess hehas going... another reason he might have considered a computer in the midto late 80s. Time to give that fax machine the ol heave-ho! Can't imaginewhat his desk must look like. We spoke almost daily for over a week dueto his changing quotes and availability issues, but each time I had to remindhim who I was, spell my name, etc. Might be a little sad if it weren'tmy time and money that I was spending. > > I priced steel tube at Dillsburg, Wicks, AS&S, Airparts, Trident Metals andE.M. Jorgensen. Dillsburg was by far the cheapest, but it means absolutelynothing if the product isn't available or if it arrives in unusable condition.I lack two sizes of tubing, which I will be ordering from AS&S today.Yes, a little more expensive than Dillsburg, but the second cheapest vendoron these particular sizes. This material might have originated from Dilsburg,but will it be the same scratched and damaged stuff that WE received?I doubt that AS&S or other reputable vendors would accept such garbage.If I did receive junky stuff from AS&S, I'm confident that their people woulddo whatever they could to make things right... a spar comes to mind. > > In my profession, the products we make must work properly. If they fail to perform accurately and reliably, people lose lots of money... worst case, their lives. No one cares about cheap... they care about reliability... if we tried to sell a crappy product our business would suffer... the same is true for Dillsburg. This thread illustrates a small sample of the feedbackI've received... several have sent me direct e-mails stating similar experiences. I appreciate the fact the Mr. Vogelsong is a veteran of WWII,and that he has an interesting backgroung in experimenting and supplying goodproducts for our hobby, but he should consider getting some help in the front office, maybe even the Internet, which shouldn't add too much to his overhead and might make his catalog and ordering department more accessable.I mean really, most of us have to go out of our way to find a fax machinenowadays, and it is NO way to carry on a conversation. > > I'm not trying to pound on Dillsburg, but there are enough hurdles and problemsto solve in this type of project. Not to mention that one of the reasonsthat I am building is economy... I don't appreciate getting ripped off.I am also the newsletter editor for our EAA chapter, and I am sharing thissame information in this months issue with well over 100 members. Heck,I don't want them getting ripped off either! Hopefully some of them willdiscuss or repost this information in their circles or on their forums. Woops!Ya burnt a paratrooper that likes to type Mr. Vogelsong... bad idea.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage> > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ==========> > > > > --------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:51:30 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Amsafetyc wrote:> I understand from others that you would be better served to speak with his sonrather then him. Apparently from what I have been told his son has a much better grasp on being cordial with the public.> > JohnAnyone know the son's name?--------A goal without a plan is nothing more than a wish. -- orionRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Right before Christmas, AS&S was running a special for free shipping on $200 ormore and 50 lb. weight and size restrictions applied. They waived the "under4 foot" restriction so I could order 4 foot lengths of tubing. My total was about$220 and no shipping. It came in at just under 50 lbs. I know I'll haveto place another order for mistakes, but the price was right for what I got.Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:43:26 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: "Piet2112"
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted> by: "kevinpurtee" > > Hello - while flying the other day I noticed the motor had> a bit of a vibration and was down about 150 RPM. After> troubleshooting, it appears I've lost compression in> cylinder 3. I checked with my best engine friend and> he suspects there's a burnt valve. I'm going to AZ> tomorrow for a couple of months so I cannot continue the> troubleshooting process right now. When I get back> I'll figure out what's going on and update everyone. > > Since the plane's down hard I've decided to go ahead and> add Dan Weseman's 5th bearing. I was going to do it in> 2009 before the first flight but was not willing to wait for> the parts. Dan has them in stock now. The kit is> actually at the post office waiting to be picked up.> > Anyway, the plane runs amazingly well on 5 cylinders.> Heck, it doesn't do too bad on 4, at least at idle.> We're up to 178 hours.> > Peace,> Kevin> > --------> Kevin "Axel" Purtee> NX899KP> Austin/Georgetown, TX> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 200#326200> > > > > > > > Email Forum -> FAQ,> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -> List Contribution Web Site -> -Matt> Dralle, List Admin.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dillsburg Aeroplane Works