Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
So Dave and I have the wood and glue for the tail feathers and are sitting hereright now trying to lay out the fin. Need help with a few (to say the least) discrepancies.First ... AS lists the wood necessary for building the fin and rudder as follows:Link to Fin Kit Parts List.The kit listed is (obviously??) wrong in that it lists no 1 x 1 spruce for themain beam(s).BUT ... the kit only includes 4 foot of 1 x 1 spruce and and, if we understandthe drawings correctly, we need about 7 feet of 1 x 1. The kit does include 15foot of 3/4 x 1 spruce.Finally ... the kit does NOT include any 3/16 x 1/2 capstrip ... are we correctin presuming that AS really puts that in the HS and rudder kit?And one last question ... it is unclear as to what is inserted at the top of thefin between the two 1/16 inch gussets ... recommendations?Having lots of fun using our old brains!Thanks Perry ... who is letting Dave the Engineer lay out the wood and meditate on it!--------Perry ShipmanLakeside, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Dangerous Dave"
Sounds too much like "The Little Engine That Could"I can make it! I can make it! I can make it! at 6000 rpm. :-)Maybe I should find an old Easthope one lunger. Those thingsshoved those double ender 32' fish boats at a hell of a rate.All the while lazily going "chucka-pah, chucka-pah, chucka-pa. Now wouldn't that sound great in a Piet!As far as this cost thing goes, over the last ten years it'scost me the equivalent of a dinner out for two everymonth.Clif you'll end up with an airplane that looks like an old airplane AND sounds like an old airplane.something just isn't right about the sight of a Pietenpol taking off with an engine screaming at 6000 RPM. >> Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit

Original Posted By: Kenneth Bickers
I added three steps Jerry, one for accessing the top of the center section, one for a front passenger, and one for the rear cockpit.On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jerry Dotson wrote:k.net>=0A=0A=0AI am looking for ideas myself. I know I have got to put a step on mine or my duck legs will never make it in! Picture please.=0A=0A--------=0AJerry Dotson=0A59 Daniel Johnson Rd=0ABaker, FL 32531=0A=0AStarted building -NX510JD -July, 2009=0Awing, tailfeathers done, fuselage rolling=0Ausing Lycoming O-235=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329188#329188=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A===========0Ast" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ======0Ale, List Admin.=0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0 ... 0A=0A=0A-- Rick HollandCastle Rock, Colorado"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" =0A________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:11:41 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit

Original Posted By: "PShipman"
Perry and Dave, The AS kit is pretty much wrong.You still need 1x1's for the trailing edge ofthe fin the leading edge of the rudder.the capstrips are 5/8x3/16 for all thetailfeathers so it looks like you need to rip the capstrips from the 5/8x1 1/4.Onething that may make your life easier is to get some 1" dowels and splitthem in half and glue the to the leading edges of the elevators and the rudder.Alsoif you use 1x1 for the tops and bottom of the fin and rudder and taper themit will come out alot smoother.Here are a couple of pics.This is just whatI did and I'm sure the are other ways of approching it.Getting started and figuringout the plans was the best part for me.Dave--------Covering PietRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2010 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
>>One more item on the "interpretation" front. ... little placard to >>attach to the bottom of the rudder that says "Built exactly to plans". [Laughing] Ken ... thanks for the head's up! ... thankfully both Dave and I take pleasurein finding all these little "bugs" (we're both OLD IT guys) so this is like afun puzzle!Did order all the extra stuff this morning. We laid out the router table lastnight and got the height set correctly on junk wood. Next we'll route up allthe wood for all the feathers and just lay it out. GREAT FUN! As our wives'likes to say ... at least we know where there girl friend(s) are!--------Perry ShipmanLakeside, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Speaking of "It really depends" In 1972 dollars we built ours for $1500.00. Inthe late 90's I rebuilt the engine (C-85-12) for $1300.00 and in 2000 my daughterand I rebuilt the airframe for $4500.00. All said I guess I have about$7300.00 in mine and 39 years of enjoyment. Even now I still mis the buildingprocess. I say just do something on it every day, no matter how big or small,and one day you will have a flying machine. Then the money won't matter anymore.Oh yea, save the wood chips so you can use them for tooth pics when youget bugs in you teeth from all the smile'n.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit

Original Posted By: "Charles Campbell"
I concur... the AS package did not include everything for the tail feathers, orperhaps I cut something wrong. I wish I would have kept more detailed notes during that part of the construction because I knowthat I had to improvise on a couple of things (minor). The capstrip comments are somewhat correct... the capstrip forthe wing ribs was not included, but I did receive nine 3/16"x1/2"x6' strips and nine 3/16"x1/2"x4' strips in the completepackage that I ordered in 2009. The sub-assembly packages that they are selling now were supposed to containthe same items that they grouped in the complete package, which is no longer available... they obviously do not. I have pretty much used up all of the wood that came in the complete package and the only additional wood I've had to purchaseso far was plywood, wing rib cap, turtle deck cap and the fuselage site stringers.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
In all reality I don't really think I would track costs much either once the buildwas under way, but it is nice to hear others come back with the 15k numberas a realistic wild guess on my part. I know I can go out and buy one for 15k,but that doesn't sound nearly as fun as building one for about that much :-)MikePrunedale, CARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Obviously there have been some changes made from the original package (not kit),to what AS is offering inthe sub packs. It is my understanding that the original bill of materials forthe AS package was derived from a list that was compiled by a fellow named Robert McKinley (see below). I'm certain Iread that somewhere, but can't remember where. Some of you may know of him, I do not. Perhaps oneof the old timers could confirmthat for us. Anyhow, I used his list to compare to the list of materials that Ireceived in 2009 from AS, as seenin the second image below. Most of the text in the notes column is what I thinkMcKinley was saying in his hand written notes. Could be wrong, but it made sense to me. Compare for yourself.McKiney's list was a big help in figuring out how to cut the stock lengths thatI received in my package, but whenI took inventory on all the items I found a couple of discrepancies from the original.You can see these in the listbelow, which I compiled from McKinley's and then added my own count and notes basedon what I received from AS. McKinleys notes are typed in the comments to the right... my additions are in bold,as well as the notes at thebottom of the page. It was my understanding that AS would be offering the same materials required forthe tail, fuse and wing as they did in the complete package. Obviously that isn't entirely accurate. I hope this list might be helpful to others... it certainly was for me. If anyone wants an Excel or PDF version, letme know and I'll send it. I know, I know... --------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up

Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Bill Church wrote:> Actually, Mark, I'll bet the weights are pretty much the same. The Airdromewebsite says theirs weigh 18 pounds each, including tire and tube. The weightof a 19 or 21 inch motorcycle tire and tube will be about 10 pounds, so the rim/spokes/hubassembly would be about 8 pounds each.> > Bill C.Sounds good Bill. I saw where they stated 18 pounds each with tire and tube, Iguess I just didn't think the tire and tube accounted for that much weight. Bob wrote:> If anybody is interested I have a full set of ribs for the classic Pietenpol3 piece wing. Hey Gary! Ahh, nevermind.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:17:52 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hmmm ... need help figuring out AS Fin Kit