Original Posted By: "John Francis"
Do any drawings or information exist for the cowling that is on the Last Original? Thanks Joe Swithin Morris, IL Collecting Parts and Pieces Stage" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... cs.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution__ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: shad bell
I've got to believe this question has come up before but I can't find it. Whatare the pros and cons of having flying controls in the front seat? I was readingsome of the accident reports that Douwe was referring to and found a couplecaused by jammed front seat controls by passengers and loose items.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
I've got to believe this question has come up before but I can't find it. Whatare the pros and cons of having flying controls in the front seat? I was readingsome of the accident reports that Douwe was referring to and found a couplecaused by jammed front seat controls by passengers and loose items.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Two cute for sure.... The next gen and happiest passengers....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
Two cute for sure.... The next gen and happiest passengers....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I have taken several pilots for rides in Scout and all of them appreciated theopportunity to handle the controls. I have checked out one or two other pilotsin the airplane and other than not having carb heat or brakes duplicated upfront, the presence of dual controls was of immeasurable value to those pilotsin understanding the airplane and in learning to fly it. In fact, my own checkoutin Scout was from the front cockpit, with zero instruments, no brakes, nocarb heat up there. My instructor talked me through each maneuver from therear cockpit, operated carb heat and brakes when necessary, and I flew the maneuverswith stick, rudder, and throttle- and learned my airplane by touch, sound,and smell and my mind wasn't in the equation very much.. just heart and soul.We are almost inseparable now and I think part of the reason for that isbecause we met and learned each other that way. I'm sure I could talk an experiencedtailwheel pilot through a ground checkout in a Piet, but it's far betterto learn in a dual cockpit setup and way more fun. The Piet experience issomething you want to share.I have flown numerous children and non-pilot passengers in Scout as well, and cantell you that you must, must, must be careful and watchful about shoes, clothes,seatbelts, jackets, and other things that happen in the cockpit. The pilot'sfeet are alongside the passenger's seat, the rudder pedals and brakes areright there too, so are the passenger's seatbelts and who knows what else. In cooler weather it's even worse, what with jackets and boots and gloves. Nothaving dual controls won't change that, but just saying that the space betweenpilot and passenger can get very crowded and very busy, especially during landing,and anything that obstructs your feet during landing won't be a good thing.In cooler weather I wear C-width Justin Roper wellington boots becausethey are narrow and smooth and they seem to slide past any obstruction down inthe leg-holes, but in the summertime and while solo I can wear running shoesif they aren't too bulky or have hanging laces. I'm not kidding... it's a tightarea down there and when you're poking your toes at a brake pedal in a crosswind,the last thing you want is for your big bulky shoe to hang up on a seatbeltor fuselage framing member or anything else. I have had the edge of my shoesole hang up against the front seat support when I thought I was pressingthe brake, and boy did I wonder what had happened to my brakes! Good thing I'msuch a good tailwheel pilot that I saved the landing ;o)The Piet is a great airplane for hopping rides and people have said that removingthe front cockpit controls makes them feel better when taking non-pilots fora ride, but I don't think it makes that much more room in the cockpit and itsure doesn't give the passenger the same feeling. My vote is for dual controls.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
I have taken several pilots for rides in Scout and all of them appreciated theopportunity to handle the controls. I have checked out one or two other pilotsin the airplane and other than not having carb heat or brakes duplicated upfront, the presence of dual controls was of immeasurable value to those pilotsin understanding the airplane and in learning to fly it. In fact, my own checkoutin Scout was from the front cockpit, with zero instruments, no brakes, nocarb heat up there. My instructor talked me through each maneuver from therear cockpit, operated carb heat and brakes when necessary, and I flew the maneuverswith stick, rudder, and throttle- and learned my airplane by touch, sound,and smell and my mind wasn't in the equation very much.. just heart and soul.We are almost inseparable now and I think part of the reason for that isbecause we met and learned each other that way. I'm sure I could talk an experiencedtailwheel pilot through a ground checkout in a Piet, but it's far betterto learn in a dual cockpit setup and way more fun. The Piet experience issomething you want to share.I have flown numerous children and non-pilot passengers in Scout as well, and cantell you that you must, must, must be careful and watchful about shoes, clothes,seatbelts, jackets, and other things that happen in the cockpit. The pilot'sfeet are alongside the passenger's seat, the rudder pedals and brakes areright there too, so are the passenger's seatbelts and who knows what else. In cooler weather it's even worse, what with jackets and boots and gloves. Nothaving dual controls won't change that, but just saying that the space betweenpilot and passenger can get very crowded and very busy, especially during landing,and anything that obstructs your feet during landing won't be a good thing.In cooler weather I wear C-width Justin Roper wellington boots becausethey are narrow and smooth and they seem to slide past any obstruction down inthe leg-holes, but in the summertime and while solo I can wear running shoesif they aren't too bulky or have hanging laces. I'm not kidding... it's a tightarea down there and when you're poking your toes at a brake pedal in a crosswind,the last thing you want is for your big bulky shoe to hang up on a seatbeltor fuselage framing member or anything else. I have had the edge of my shoesole hang up against the front seat support when I thought I was pressingthe brake, and boy did I wonder what had happened to my brakes! Good thing I'msuch a good tailwheel pilot that I saved the landing ;o)The Piet is a great airplane for hopping rides and people have said that removingthe front cockpit controls makes them feel better when taking non-pilots fora ride, but I don't think it makes that much more room in the cockpit and itsure doesn't give the passenger the same feeling. My vote is for dual controls.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 04:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: Michael Groah
I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the front cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I can only think of one person who I would actually give over controls to and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me. Please give me some guidance. Chuck________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the front cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I can only think of one person who I would actually give over controls to and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me. Please give me some guidance. Chuck________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: "skipgadd(at)earthlink.net"
Hi Chuck - Some guys build the controls so that you can take out the front stickand un-hook the pedals. That's an option. With the exception of a couple of people wanting to see how the airplane flies,I could have gone forever without controls in the front seat. Makes it easierto store stuff up there.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Chuck - Some guys build the controls so that you can take out the front stickand un-hook the pedals. That's an option. With the exception of a couple of people wanting to see how the airplane flies,I could have gone forever without controls in the front seat. Makes it easierto store stuff up there.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeNX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: gcardinal(at)comcast.net
NX2RN came with front seat controls minus a throttle. So we rigged one up andmy son learned to fly from the front seat of a Piet. No instruments at all. I think a slip indicator and airspeed would be nice though.There are good arguments both ways. Easier to remove them than add them later.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:24:34 +0000 (UTC)
NX2RN came with front seat controls minus a throttle. So we rigged one up andmy son learned to fly from the front seat of a Piet. No instruments at all. I think a slip indicator and airspeed would be nice though.There are good arguments both ways. Easier to remove them than add them later.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:24:34 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Official Fish Scale
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Helsper......send it!Gene Rambo________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Official Fish Scale
Helsper......send it!Gene Rambo________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Official Fish Scale
Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: gcardinal
Mine are removable. Used this feature once at Brodhead last year.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Mine are removable. Used this feature once at Brodhead last year.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Chuck=3BTo answer your question directly=2C I have rarely taken passengers up with the intent of giving them the controls so in that respect=2C the controls don't serve a frequent purpose. However=2C I got my Air Camper checkout flying Scout from the front seat (no instruments=2C no brakes=2C no fuel shutoff valve=2C no carb heat!) and I have checked out another pilot or two in the airplane while I flew front seat and they were in back. I have also flown numerous flights with a buddy where I have flown navigator position in front with him as PIC in back=2C and had him ask me to take the controls while he peeled of a jacket=2C put on a jacket=2C or made other adjustments. It was handy to have that capability=2C but certainly not something that happens frequently. I think it heightens the joy and wonder of a first flight if you offer a passenger the opportunity to take the controls and let them feel what it's like to control the airplane in flight.I guess it would be OK to just have a "sterile cockpit" up there=2C but part of the appeal of the Air Camper to me is that it has controls up front. Mine has rudder=2C stick=2C and throttle in front... and I learned to fly it with just those essentials plus sight and sound. I like flying it from up there=2C too. But yes=2C you could save a couple of pounds by eliminating front cockpit controls.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 00:09:33 -0700
Chuck=3BTo answer your question directly=2C I have rarely taken passengers up with the intent of giving them the controls so in that respect=2C the controls don't serve a frequent purpose. However=2C I got my Air Camper checkout flying Scout from the front seat (no instruments=2C no brakes=2C no fuel shutoff valve=2C no carb heat!) and I have checked out another pilot or two in the airplane while I flew front seat and they were in back. I have also flown numerous flights with a buddy where I have flown navigator position in front with him as PIC in back=2C and had him ask me to take the controls while he peeled of a jacket=2C put on a jacket=2C or made other adjustments. It was handy to have that capability=2C but certainly not something that happens frequently. I think it heightens the joy and wonder of a first flight if you offer a passenger the opportunity to take the controls and let them feel what it's like to control the airplane in flight.I guess it would be OK to just have a "sterile cockpit" up there=2C but part of the appeal of the Air Camper to me is that it has controls up front. Mine has rudder=2C stick=2C and throttle in front... and I learned to fly it with just those essentials plus sight and sound. I like flying it from up there=2C too. But yes=2C you could save a couple of pounds by eliminating front cockpit controls.Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C OR ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 00:09:33 -0700
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Making some headway now one wing and the fuse to go and I'm done covering! Thiswing is primed and ready for paint--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Making some headway now one wing and the fuse to go and I'm done covering! Thiswing is primed and ready for paint--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Way to go Chris. Great looking fabric and paint work. You'll have it at the airportready to fly before you know it.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Way to go Chris. Great looking fabric and paint work. You'll have it at the airportready to fly before you know it.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C----- Original Message -----
Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
nightmare wrote:> looks great, what paint process did you use?I used automotive paint for the rudder, but I had some peeling issues when I usedit for the flat base paint, so I am now using the new stewart systems paint.its a new paint not on the website yet and it seems to work very well on thetest panels I did.--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
nightmare wrote:> looks great, what paint process did you use?I used automotive paint for the rudder, but I had some peeling issues when I usedit for the flat base paint, so I am now using the new stewart systems paint.its a new paint not on the website yet and it seems to work very well on thetest panels I did.--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Chuck Campbell wrote:> Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C> > ---I used the supplement plans from the UK and it will be mounted down low underneaththe horizontal stab.....i just need to burn the holes thru. and the hornssandwich the rudder.--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Chuck Campbell wrote:> Hey! That's a pretty control surface -- but where is the control horn? C> > ---I used the supplement plans from the UK and it will be mounted down low underneaththe horizontal stab.....i just need to burn the holes thru. and the hornssandwich the rudder.--------NX321LRFully AssembledTail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.Wings to be covered next.Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering progress...
Original Posted By: JOSEPH SWITHIN
Nice....!! I can only dream about being that far along....Back to the shop now and the fabrication of the elevator bellcrank/walking beamassembly for me - thanks for the inspiration...--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 04:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
Nice....!! I can only dream about being that far along....Back to the shop now and the fabrication of the elevator bellcrank/walking beamassembly for me - thanks for the inspiration...--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 04:43:43 -0700 (PDT)