Original Posted By: "nightmare"
Jeff,Very, very nice. I love the look. Didn't you start building that thing like...last month!?And yes... Welcome to the Green and Cream Team!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jeff's external aileron cables
Pietenpol-List: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Are there any plans/drawings on that external aileron setup? Thanks; PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Are there any plans/drawings on that external aileron setup? Thanks; PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Jeff,I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup as youused . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that the flightcontrol cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different without thehorn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the geometry of the cablebetween the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does the cable go underneaththe skin of the wings as they do in the flight controls that most guys do,or do they run above the skin and across the trailing edge of the wing? A picturewould probably answer all of my questions.I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my "mind'seye" as they say. Thanks for your response.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Jeff,I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup as youused . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that the flightcontrol cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different without thehorn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the geometry of the cablebetween the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does the cable go underneaththe skin of the wings as they do in the flight controls that most guys do,or do they run above the skin and across the trailing edge of the wing? A picturewould probably answer all of my questions.I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my "mind'seye" as they say. Thanks for your response.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Thanks Brett for the explanation. I thought that might be the case, but I appreciatethe clarification, nonetheless. Makes inspecting the cables a lot easier,but I wonder what effect the elements has on the condition of the cable overtime.If anyone has a picture of the setup, that would be nice to see.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Brett for the explanation. I thought that might be the case, but I appreciatethe clarification, nonetheless. Makes inspecting the cables a lot easier,but I wonder what effect the elements has on the condition of the cable overtime.If anyone has a picture of the setup, that would be nice to see.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Terry,Check out Walt Bowe's pictures here:http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wal ... ures.htmHe has external aileron cables.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Terry,Check out Walt Bowe's pictures here:http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wal ... ures.htmHe has external aileron cables.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I bought them too. I'm now 5' 7" with 29" leg.They JUST fit. So there's some kind ofbenchmark for you.ClifI will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise,and I will listen very nicely and then go out and doexactly what I want>>> I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that > Douwe mentioned.> They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as > pointed out,> they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they > fit on me.> The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter > from shoulders> to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly > elsewhere, they> are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.> I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone > out there who> would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since > I have to> pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who > would like to> have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know > off-line, otherwise> they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> Medford, OR________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
I bought them too. I'm now 5' 7" with 29" leg.They JUST fit. So there's some kind ofbenchmark for you.ClifI will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise,and I will listen very nicely and then go out and doexactly what I want>>> I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that > Douwe mentioned.> They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as > pointed out,> they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they > fit on me.> The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter > from shoulders> to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly > elsewhere, they> are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.> I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone > out there who> would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since > I have to> pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who > would like to> have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know > off-line, otherwise> they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> Medford, OR________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:19:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford/Ashland, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:19:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Greg,Thanks for the direction to westcoastpiet.com. I am not sure that I want to domy flight controls that way, but it is VERY interesting to see that design.I agree that the website has really helped a guy like me see how different areasof construction really look. Sometimes you need more than just the plans. Atleast I do.Oscar, you are a master of the language. "The Tony Bingelis of the Piet PHoto World".An amazing, and quite apt description.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
Greg,Thanks for the direction to westcoastpiet.com. I am not sure that I want to domy flight controls that way, but it is VERY interesting to see that design.I agree that the website has really helped a guy like me see how different areasof construction really look. Sometimes you need more than just the plans. Atleast I do.Oscar, you are a master of the language. "The Tony Bingelis of the Piet PHoto World".An amazing, and quite apt description.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly BoltsI bought fillister head bolts with a drilled head. If you wish you can find them in A.S. cataloge. DaveIn a message dated 9/18/2012 9:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net writes:My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?Michael PerezPietenpol HINT VideosKaretaker Aerowww.karetakeraero.com(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly BoltsI bought fillister head bolts with a drilled head. If you wish you can find them in A.S. cataloge. DaveIn a message dated 9/18/2012 9:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net writes:My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?Michael PerezPietenpol HINT VideosKaretaker Aerowww.karetakeraero.com(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Many carburetors use metal tab washers on these screws/bolts. A couple of fingers bend down over the edge of the bowl and the others bend up on the bolt flats. These are included in a carb overhaul kit. On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Many carburetors use metal tab washers on these screws/bolts. A couple of fingers bend down over the edge of the bowl and the others bend up on the bolt flats. These are included in a carb overhaul kit. On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael, check McMaster Carr. They have drilled-head bolts. Don't know if they would work for your application -- I'm using some of them to attach the oil pan to the bottom of my Corvair engine. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Michael, check McMaster Carr. They have drilled-head bolts. Don't know if they would work for your application -- I'm using some of them to attach the oil pan to the bottom of my Corvair engine. Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Not sure I've ever seen only lock washers. Always seen safety wire (old style) or the washers I described. What does parts book show??On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such washers were included. > > I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled with safety wire are required, I'll get some.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT)
Not sure I've ever seen only lock washers. Always seen safety wire (old style) or the washers I described. What does parts book show??On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such washers were included. > > I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled with safety wire are required, I'll get some.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Hey Terry..you're right about the lack of detail on the F&G manual... some of the plane isexplained better on the '33 scout drawings... between those two magazines andphotos on the west coast piet site i put it together..cables inspections will be easy but they are just under your knees in the cockpitand you have to put your feet in the right places climbing in and outhoping to taxi soonjeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Hey Terry..you're right about the lack of detail on the F&G manual... some of the plane isexplained better on the '33 scout drawings... between those two magazines andphotos on the west coast piet site i put it together..cables inspections will be easy but they are just under your knees in the cockpitand you have to put your feet in the right places climbing in and outhoping to taxi soonjeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok. On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fastener is OK.> > Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:07:12 -0700 (PDT)
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok. On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fastener is OK.> > Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:07:12 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Yea, until they work loose............Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Yea, until they work loose............Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "namrednos"
Nothing he stated indicated it was not a lock washerOn Sep 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since it calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the screw has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am still curious if other fasteners are acceptable.> > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Nothing he stated indicated it was not a lock washerOn Sep 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since it calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the screw has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am still curious if other fasteners are acceptable.> > > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > tp://forums.matronics.com> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: Frank Metcalfe
Jeff, if you get a chance take some pictures of the control cables inside the planeunder your feet.ThanksScott in Independence, KYtables made,18 ribs complete--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Jeff, if you get a chance take some pictures of the control cables inside the planeunder your feet.ThanksScott in Independence, KYtables made,18 ribs complete--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
I got on the phone and called Douwe directly, in case the hacking had also affectedhis computer and did not allow him to access the forum. He is aware of itand is having it dealt with by a technician.Just thought I would go direct, but post it here so as to prevent anyone else fromcalling unnecessarily, as he is aware of the problem.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
I got on the phone and called Douwe directly, in case the hacking had also affectedhis computer and did not allow him to access the forum. He is aware of itand is having it dealt with by a technician.Just thought I would go direct, but post it here so as to prevent anyone else fromcalling unnecessarily, as he is aware of the problem.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
The aileron cables run on the outside of the upper wing.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
The aileron cables run on the outside of the upper wing.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Upper wing?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Upper wing?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Well yes Bill, who the heck would run them on the outside of the lower wing..duhOn Sep 21, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Bill Church wrote:> > Upper wing?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 760#383760> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Well yes Bill, who the heck would run them on the outside of the lower wing..duhOn Sep 21, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Bill Church wrote:> > Upper wing?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 760#383760> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________