Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Mark Roberts"
I have been working almost a year now on the GN-1 project I inherited from my father.I got it as a fuselage with A-65 engine, tail feathers and some wing ribs.In the meantime, I built an engine mount, made Cub gear, tore down, rebuiltand ran the engine, put in heel brakes, fit a Cub fuel tank, made both frontand rear cockpit panels and started the center section. From a looks standpoint,probably the most important thing that I did was rid it of 30 years of cobwebsso it can stand proud. I hope to have the CS and turtle deck done overthe winter and start the wings next spring.Before and after pictures below.--------David GallagherZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 220+ hours nowNext project under construction: Finish my father's AircamperRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pick ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving Scout

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Oscar,If you need a place to stay over night just let me know. I'm in Lancaster CA just5 miles so. of KWJF (fox field). Plenty of room to park your moving truckat the house. Could save you a hotel bill. Heck, you may even eat better.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Enjoy your IFR ( I follow roads) trip. Should you get lost, the offer still stands.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Not to worry. Oscar THINKS he can slip by us by taking the back roads, butI'll be running a blockade on 395 two days before Thanksgiving. He'll haveto stop or crash into me!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Vi is flying his ship! He said he has a couple of hours on her and that he iswaiting for another nice warm day to fly again. He reports a couple of minoroil leaks that he say's the model A's are famous for. He say's it fly's realgood. That's about all I could yank out of him. If you know Vi, You know heis a man of few words ...DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Well, I'm shocked and surprised that Steve Dortch hasn't posted anything to thelist bragging about how he played a big part in removing the wings, struts, andbrace cables from Scout, or about how he directed the loading and securingof the fuselage in the back of the van, or about how he regaled the assembledcrowds with stories of flying his dancing V-tail Bonanza.He should, because all of that is true.Steve: thank you from the bottom of my heart for being such a warm, personable,and enthusiastic pilot, Pieter, and friend. I'm writing this from the QualityInn in Gallup, NM (almost 1000 mi. into my trip) and when I checked just beforeretiring to my room for the night, it almost appears that not even a moleculeof dust in the back of the van has shifted one millimeter since I drove awayfrom the hangar at 4PM on Saturday afternoon. You fellows did an exemplaryjob, and Scout and I will appreciate it for as long as we're around to remember.Couple of pictures attached. Steve and one of his kids are the ones up in thebox guiding Scout into the the van after we lifted the airplane up by its mainsusing the nifty lift on the back. Highly recommended way to do it!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stev ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 00:11:41 -0800

Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "taildrags" > Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're going,will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move > my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did > you use? I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have > access to the same company in North Carolina? Did you have to > fasten the wheel chocks to the floor of the van? If so how? If > you screwed or nailed them down, do you think the people who own > the van would object to holes in the floor? I guess that is about > all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks, Chuck>

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oscar, If you have a chance tonight after you get to where ever you're going, will you answer a couple of questions? I possibly will need to move my Piet project soon (possibly about 75 miles). What size van did you use? I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to the same company in North Carolina? Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the floor of the van? If so how? If you screwed or nailed them down, do you think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor? I guess that is about all the questions I can think of right now. Thanks, Chuck----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Chuck,I'm sure Oscar can provide a much more detailed response, but here are somepics of my move last Summer. My rolling wing rack anchored to the side ofthe van, as did the r. wheel. Chocks were merely tied to each other so theywouldn't shift, and no need to attach to the floor. When you go to anyrental place, or view their web site, the will list the dimensions of thevan's box. Be aware that the 'height' is at the box ceiling, not at thedoor! It's fairly important to get thru the door first! By lettingalmost all the air out of my tires, I just barely made it!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: C N Campbell
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving ScoutSteve Dortch here, Aircraft mover services. Oscar actually had an opininated oldfellow there who had moved many airplanes. He had some great techiniques.First, He used an old tow strap. Heavy duty. We used pretty good sized screws withwashers. The screw/washer was run directly through the cloth on the tow strapand into the wood floor. They ran from the floor, up over the bottom partof the main landing gear, just inside the axle and back down to the floor. Onthe tailwheel, it ran from the floor was wrapped around the spring on the tailwheelclose to the wheel and screwed into the floor. One strap did all three wheelswithout cutting it. On the mains there was a 2x4 on edge on each side of each main wheel. a prettygood sized (6x6) chock was wedged behind the main wheel and screwed in. The screwswere put in at an angle. After everything was secured the front (6x6) chockwas firmly pushed into place and screwed in. This allowed the aircraft suspensionto flex some and yet the fuselage was secure. NOTE, make sure people don't rush. Some of the guys were wanting to hurry and hassome slightly unsatisfactory ideas on what to do. One guy wanted to pick theplane up by hand and put it in that way. Oscar nixed that idea and using thepowered rear ramp that went up helped a lot. The most nervious time was peoplepushing and pulling the plane on the truck loading ramp. I sure was worriedabout scratching his pretty propellor. Blue Skies,Steve DMy boy is sure upset that he did not get to fly in Scout. (He is a "Wing Nut")----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
He plans to fly again this week one day. If he calls I will drive over and geta couple of photo's to post. DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving ScoutIn a message dated 11/19/2012 9:14:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:Chuck,I'm sure Oscar can provide a much more detailed response, but here are somepics of my move last Summer. My rolling wing rack anchored to the side ofthe van, as did the r. wheel. Chocks were merely tied to each other so theywouldn't shift, and no need to attach to the floor. When you go to anyrental place, or view their web site, the will list the dimensions of thevan's box. Be aware that the 'height' is at the box ceiling, not at thedoor! It's fairly important to get thru the door first! By lettingalmost all the air out of my tires, I just barely made it!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next time, Iwill. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would like to seethe Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane down there soI can fly her over the ruins?;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving ScoutIn a message dated 11/20/2012 12:21:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, taildrags(at)hotmail.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "taildrags" Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next time, I will. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would liketo see the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane down there so I can fly her over the ruins?;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 388385I'll try________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout> > I just arrived home in Medford a while ago, safe and sound (Scout, > too). A very nice journey, but it sure was windy up in N. > California today!!! Good thing it was from the south... I had a > tailwind all day. Total distance traveled, 2051 miles so cutting > across the Nevada desert saved me about 150 miles and truthfully, > I enjoy the drive out that way. I got to see some live-fire > bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the other military > sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get the > plane unloaded and safely hangared. Oh, and in reply to Chuck's > questions about the van, see below.> > -Oscar> > > > > > >What size van did you use?> > It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same > as a 26 footer, so I opted for the larger one but that's because I > had other stuff to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft. > long and the fuselage will fit in a 22 ft. van, although snug. > For a 75 mile move, I wouldn't even consider it... find a 16 ft. > flatbed trailer and load it up. Fits perfectly; I've done it > before; see last picture here:> > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html> > > >I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to > the same > > company in North Carolina?> > Penske. Yes, you should have access to the same outfit. I opted > for Penske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels, > while the UHauls are all gasoline. In the mountains, it makes a > difference and for long runs out West, it makes a big difference. > But again, you needn't rent a moving van just to move 75 miles... > it's way too expensive.> > >Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the > floor of the van? If so how?> > I didn't have to, but it was recommended to me that I did, and I > am VERY glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway > speeds, or wrinkles in the pavement, the rig jumps around and if > things weren't secured, it would not have held the airplane in > place. We secured the chocks and straps to the oak floor of the > van with deck screws, and I'll bet that the screw holes will not > be noticeable when I remove the screws and smooth things down. > It's a moving van, and the floor gets a lot of wear and tear. I > don't intend to leave it rough though.> > >If you screwed or nailed them down, do you > think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor?> > I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They > don't provide D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and > it's a shame because we could really have used them to keep the > plane from moving fore and aft that way. Our field adaptation > worked perfectly though.> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving Scout

Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
I just arrived home in Medford a while ago=2C safe and sound (Scout=2C too). A very nice journey=2C but it sure was windy up in N. California today!!! Good thing it was from the south... I had a tailwind all day. Total distance traveled=2C 2051 miles so cutting across the Nevada desert saved me about 150 miles and truthfully=2C I enjoy the drive out that way. I got to see some live-fire bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the other military sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get the plane unloaded and safely hangared. Oh=2C and in reply to Chuck's questions about the van=2C see below.-Oscar>What size van did you use?It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same as a 26 footer=2C so I opted for the larger one but that's because I had other stuff to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft. long and the fuselage will fit in a 22 ft. van=2C although snug. For a 75 mile move=2C I wouldn't even consider it... find a 16 ft. flatbed trailer and load it up. Fits perfectly=3B I've done it before=3B see last picture here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incide ... ent.html>I assume you rented it. If so=2C from whom? Would I have access to the same company in North Carolina?Penske. Yes=2C you should have access to the same outfit. I opted for Penske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels=2C while the UHauls are all gasoline. In the mountains=2C it makes a difference and for long runs out West=2C it makes a big difference. But again=2C you needn't rent a moving van just to move 75 miles... it's way too expensive.>Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the floor of the van? If so how?I didn't have to=2C but it was recommended to me that I did=2C and I am VERY glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway speeds=2C or wrinkles in the pavement=2C the rig jumps around and if things weren't secured=2C it would not have held the airplane in place. We secured the chocks and straps to the oak floor of the van with deck screws=2C and I'll bet that the screw holes will not be noticeable when I remove the screws and smooth things down. It's a moving van=2C and the floor gets a lot of wear and tear. I don't intend to leave it rough though.>If you screwed or nailed them down=2C do you think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor?I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They don't provide D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and it's a shame because we could really have used them to keep the plane from moving fore and aft that way. Our field adaptation worked perfectly though. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 00:10:32 -0800

Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving ScoutGlad You arrived safely with no damage to Scout. Sure would have been a fun crosscountry flight, but you would have needed to be able to take a long time forweather. I am sure that Scout will love the cooler temps up North. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
John;The throttle bell crank on my Stromberg requires very, very little effort to swingthe butterfly in the throat of the carb. The inner wire of the Bowden shouldbe plenty stiff to operate the butterfly. *BUT*- that's under normal circumstances.Thinking about abnormal conditions (or maybe "normal" for Strombergsa lot of the time), if you have carb ice in the venturi, it may pose significantresistance to movement of the butterfly in the throat of the carb and ifyou tried to operate the throttle against that resistance, your inner wire wouldbuckle.The outer jacket of my Bowden cable is secured much closer to the carb than 9";I believe it's clamped to one of the carb screws using a fabricated tab. Letme look at it on Saturday and maybe get you a picture. I think you need to runthe outer jacket longer, clamp it closer to the carb, and only have a coupleof inches of inner wire outside the outer jacket.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving Scout

Original Posted By: John Kuhfahl
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout