Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout> Douwe,> > > > The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology > thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can > certainly be done> that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just > that), it is> foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer. > GPS is a> wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and > thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too > dependent on it -> they can and do fail.> > > > I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right > upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use > a kneeboard> with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a > sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn > over each page as I> fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS > goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the > triptiks, but I> think there are several different companies out there that do the same> thing.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when > 5 deer> ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The > last one> missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right > wingtip.> > > _____ >

Original Posted By: "Pietflyer1977"
Douwe;It's always a good thing when you don't have to rework anything, especially ifyou're already flying. In that case "you've gotta dance with who brung you".As to the fish scale debacle, it was just Mr. Rambo playing with our emotions.No harm, no foul.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've successfully infected a couple guys locally.- There are two additional Piet builds going on within about 3 miles of my house!- Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's, and mine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the area, we could have quite a gathering.- Just hard to get everybody's schedules to match.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#387782le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars

Original Posted By: Kenneth Howe
Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece wing. Mydrawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and the center sectionis 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is 14'5" each half fortotal of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So just make the total 28'10" with a 29" center section correct? And dis-guard the 12' measurement?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
I just checked the copy of the plans that I keep on my computer (you never know when you'll need to refer to 'em. The 'blue-line' version I have here is a bit of photoshop so they'll look better as desktop wallpaper.) The outer spars are 13' 2 1/2", and the center section is 29". That'll add up to 28'10".KenOn Nov 13, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:> > Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And dis-guard the 12' measurement?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 759#387759> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:53:09 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars

Original Posted By: "Pietflyer1977"
My 3-piece wing plan shows each spar to be 13 ft 2 1/2 inches. That's 158 1/2 inches. The center section spar is 29 inches. That gives a total of 346 inches for the entire wing. That's 28 ft 10 inches total. This is from the 3-piece wing supplement dated Jan 10, 1975. Don't understand why your plans would show different dimentions. C----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5" makes moresense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to include the 4.5"tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the center section, you willcome up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred with a few other builders thatcame to the same conclusion. A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and that ishow I cut and spaced mine.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: composite cooling eyebrows

Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
In other words, Douwe... you are going to catch hell no matter WHAT you chooseto do! Gotta love it.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
My plans show 13' 2 1/2" and that's what I made them. So your wing is 5 inches longer than mine. Bet you can't tell the difference with the planes parked side-by-side. Chuck----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
#2. The "center section" of the 1-piece wing (the plan which gives the rib spacing) is 25 inches versus the 29 inches of the 3-piece wing. If you take that 4 inches (2 on each wing panel) out of two of the bays the total length of the wing comes out to be 346 inches in each case. Your wing is just wider than the original. TSK TSK such unwarranted departure from the plans :>) Chuck----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 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________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting

Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
John... I couldn't agree with you more. Fred and Fred are a fantastic father andson team. Great guys to hang out with. I was lucky enough to spend an afternoonwith them on a couple of occasions which included a little Piet flying.They are the kind of guys that say what they are going to do then they do itwithout much overplanning and overthinking, which just leads to not building.They build the way a Piet should be built! I just need to get over and seetheir project!Fred, please just let your wife know that a trip to Brodhead would make a greatanniversary trip/gift. Hey, there's a really great swimming pool in town, whatelse could she want!? I've managed to get my wife there several times. Nevermindthe fact that she switches up the spelling now... "Bordhead"... whatever!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting

Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've successfullyinfected a couple guys locally. There are two additional Piet builds goingon within about 3 miles of my house! Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's, andmine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the area, wecould have quite a gathering. Just hard to get everybody's schedules to match.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reportingSomething I would be interested in attending, even if I have to drive to get there!John________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Hi!I've just gotten a replacement aircraft after a write off crash (Not Pietenpol!).With it came a taper shaft A65-8 and a Flottorp 72 X 50 Prop.Is anyone flying such a combination or knows of that combination flying in somethingand has comment.It wont be flying for 2 or 3 months and then probably with a professionally rebuiltA75-8 for which that prop is probably too coarse..The replacement aircraft is a Baby Ace of about 50 years vintage.RegardsGerry________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars

Original Posted By: Jim Markle
My plans also state 13' 2.5", but I still don't see anywhere on the 3-piece plansthat indicate the rib spacing other than the center section and root ribs.Doesn't matter so much I guess... they are built and I'm not changing them. [Laughing]--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:45:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

Original Posted By: "Pietflyer1977"
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Original Posted By: gboothe5(at)comcast.net
Holy crap! Yes Bill, I absolutely meant 161". I wonder where the heck I cameup with that? You do that all the time eh? That cracked me up. Sorry for the confusion... it's a wonder that I got my wings built at all.Bill Church wrote:> Mark,> I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when youwrote 162.42", did you mean 161"?> I make that same mistake all the time. > > Bill C--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 03:25:28 +0000 (UTC)

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer

Original Posted By: Jack Phillips
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washoutConsider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It willput your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. willdownload weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most aviationGPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot videoand serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies like"The Great Waldo Pepper." It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount. I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----