Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "CraigAho"
Mike,There are no plans for an I-beam spar. It is however referenced on the West CoastPiet site with the necessary formulas.As far as lenghtening the wing, it has been done but again, no plans. I was intendingon an extra rib inboard and one outboard of the strut.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I was wondering if anyone has a suggestion for cleaning the barrels of the manyturnbuckles i have from NX40772. The barrels are all dark from age but also thesmoke damage. A couple cleaned up with some brass polish and fine bronze woolbut most are stubborn and it would be a lot of handwork to brighten. Is theresomething I can soak them in? Lacquer thinner? or something?CraigRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "C N Campbell"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle Cleanuphttp://www.wizardsproducts.com/store/catalog/M ... 3.htmlThis is by far the best (and easiest) stuff I've used to polish not only turnbuckles but my aluminum rims.Of course there is Nevr Dull polishing wadding available at Walmart/Kmart Automotive and most of the autozonetype stores that work well too but there is some chemical in this Wizards that really makes brass shine incredibly nicelyand fast.Mike C.[cid:image001.png(at)01CE4D64.212208B0]________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "CraigAho"
Craig, there is a product called "Brasso" which (most) military types use to shine their belt buckles. Don't know where you could get a can. I used to get what I needed at a military uniform shop or something similar. It does take a bit or rubbing, though. C----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Thanks Guys for the suggestions. I have not seen the Miracle product Mike, I willtake a look for it. I have used the others and was using some Never Dull alongwith the steel and bronze wool. I even chucked up a few barrels and spun themwith my drill motor while holding the wool in the other hand which is a niceway to quickly polish but there are many VERY subbornly tarnished baked onsmoke finish ones that will be more of a challenge and with the costs of bucklesthese days these are like gold so I will put the labor in a clean them up ormaybe go with Daves suggestion. Speaking of labor intensive my wire wheelsare a nitemare trying to relace them just because I had to have the nice lookinggrease cups. [Shocked]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Point well taken Dick. I think I agree with your assessments regarding this thread.I do believe some of the changes I plan to incorporate should just be quietuntil I'm finished and flying. Keeps things simpler.Thanks!MarkRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By:> billmz(at)cox.net
You know Billy I do have a tumber as I use to do a lot of reloading=2C that did cross my mind but I didnt try it yet=2C I will do so today. Thanks > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By:> jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com
Thank you Terry=2C I am currently trying the tumbler to see how that works=2C figured I could clean up some 30-06 brass at the same time. Craig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: Jack
Very helpful Ken thanks!Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn May 13, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> Jack, attached are four pictures of the wing turning stands that I made. > > The wing root stand attaches to the spar attach fittings. It involves a simplebracket welded to a square tube, sized to fit between the spar brackets withsome room to insert a short section of threaded rod with nuts that can be tightenedagainst the spar fittings and the tube itself. > > The wing bow stand is simpler. It is just a vertical post (I used some 1" squaretube) with a hole for a bolt. The bolt has a spacer to offset the verticalpost from the wing bow by about an inch and a half or so. I drilled a 3/16"hole through the wing bow and permanently affixed a 3/16" t-nut on the insideof the wing bow. The height of the posts is set to allow the wing to pivot througha full 360 degrees without bumping into the stands. > > One comment, though. I centered the stands on the wing chord to give clearancein turning it. It is NOT centered by weight. The knobs I am using are inadequateto keep gravity at bay. Consequently I use an old bar stool to slideunder the leading edge of the wing, sometimes with a cardboard box to adjust theangle of the wing while I'm working.> > Almost all of the pieces used were scraps left over from various jigs I've madealong the way -- mostly the engine mount jigs. There's nothing fancy aboutany of this. But it seems to work great. > > Let me know if you want more pictures or additional info. > > Cheers,Ken> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By:> > billmz(at)cox.net
Craig what medium do you use in the tumbler?ThanksSent from my iPadJack TextorOn May 13, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Craig Aho wrote:> You know Billy I do have a tumber as I use to do a lot of reloading, that did cross my mind but I didnt try it yet, I will do so today. Thanks> > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: jack(at)textors.com
I think it is ground walnut shells=2C I have a bag of it but have not used the tumbler in many years. I tried it for a few hours yesterday afternoon but it will take some time I think. Craig Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: "Billy McCaskill"
Hi Zeke, will come a visiting just as soon as I get some missing documents replacedfor the Piet.--------Jim McWhorterN687MB (New Owner)Culpeper, VA KCJRRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: Craig Aho
Craig, FWIW, I use ground corncob media with a little bit of Dillon liquid brass polishadded in my tumbler. The corncob is a bit more aggressive than the ground walnuthulls. The walnut will provide a higher polish, but will take a good bitlonger to do so. The corncob doesn't provide a super high polish, but doesa nice job of getting my brass/ other random parts really clean in a reasonableamount of time. I would not recommended Brasso or any other polishing compound that contains ammoniaas an ingredient (read the labels carefully), it attacks the zinc in thebrass and will make brass brittle. Bad news for cartridge cases as well as criticalairplane components. There is no harm in adding a bit of red jeweler'srouge to the media for a higher polish if desired.For more info on the Dillon polish (and vibratory tumblers, media, etc), visit www.dillonprecision.com Tumblers and media are also available from www.midwayusa.com I'm not endorsing either company but I have dealt with both extensively and have always had positive experiences with them.--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By:> billmz(at)cox.net
Thank you Billy for your comments/suggestions. I let my vibrating tumber run for the morning hours today and my rifle brass is cleaning up nicely but the turnbuckle barrells are only slightly changed. I will look into the corncob media. Thanks againCraig > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
My instructor uses this software on his ipad and sends me an email when he getshome with the day's tracks. Really cool to see what you actually did.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: "Charles Burkholder"
I'd keep the turnbuckles away from CLR. It is basically (no pun intended) an acid,and not recommended for use on metals, other than stainless steel. If onewas to dip the turnbuckle barrels in CLR, the acid would get into the internalthreads, and etch away at the metal. That is not a good thing.Bill C.Michael Perez wrote:> Curious if anyone has tried some of the tarnish cleaners seen advertised on TV.These are usually shown being so effective that you need only dip the tarnishedpart in the cleaner and remove it...presto, clean. I believe one such itemis called CLR. Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup UNCLASSIFIEDAsked a buddy who does Reloading about a brass tumbler. he uses an ultrasonic cleanerinstead. I may try that. Any thoughts?Blue Skies,Steve D On 05/15/13, Bill Church wrote:> > I'd keep the turnbuckles away from CLR. It is basically (no pun intended) anacid, and not recommended for use on metals, other than stainless steel. If onewas to dip the turnbuckle barrels in CLR, the acid would get into the internalthreads, and etch away at the metal. That is not a good thing.> Bill C.> > Michael Perez wrote:> > > Curious if anyone has tried some of the tarnish cleaners seen advertised onTV. These are usually shown being so effective that you need only dip the tarnishedpart in the cleaner and remove it...presto, clean. I believe one such itemis called CLR. > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 669#400669> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > Craig=2C if you or someone you know is involved with ammunition reloading=2C they probably have a vibratory tumbler that they use for cleaning/polishing the brass cartridge cases prior to reloading them. Toss your brass turnbuckles into the tumbler for 4-5 hours=2C and go work on something else while the tumbler does it's thing. When you take them out=2C they will be as bright and shiny as when they were new=2C without any manual labor involved. > > I routinely throw nuts=2C bolts=2C small fittings=2C etc into my tumbler for cleaning up so I don't have to spend hours cleaning them by hand. Of course=2C I also use my tumbler for cleaning cartridge cases too=2C but that's a topic for an entirely different forum.> > --------> Billy McCaskill> Baker=2C LA> tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 534#400534> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By:> billmz(at)cox.net
Craig what medium do you use in the tumbler?ThanksSent from my iPadJack TextorOn May 13=2C 2013=2C at 1:42 PM=2C Craig Aho wrote:=0A=0A=0AYou know Billy I do have a tumber as I use to do a lot of reloading=2C that did cross my mind but I didnt try it yet=2C I will do so today. Thanks> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turnbuckle Cleanup

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > Craig=2C if you or someone you know is involved with ammunition reloading=2C they probably have a vibratory tumbler that they use for cleaning/polishing the brass cartridge cases prior to reloading them. Toss your brass turnbuckles into the tumbler for 4-5 hours=2C and go work on something else while the tumbler does it's thing. When you take them out=2C they will be as bright and shiny as when they were new=2C without any manual labor involved. > > I routinely throw nuts=2C bolts=2C small fittings=2C etc into my tumbler for cleaning up so I don't have to spend hours cleaning them by hand. Of course=2C I also use my tumbler for cleaning cartridge cases too=2C but that's a topic for an entirely different forum.> > --------> Billy McCaskill> Baker=2C LA> tail section almost done=2C starting on ribs soon> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 534#400534> > => > > =0A=0A=0A=0A===========0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... =====0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC)