Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "TriScout"
Jim,Two words. Carburetor Ice.Here is a link to a story on his website describing the circumstances as well asinformation to help others avoid the same situation.http://flycorvair.com/carbice.html--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: adding trim

Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
I'm taking advantage of some downtime during Annual by adding a trim tab that canbe controlled from the flight deck. Of course, my AI/DAR will have to approveit for a sign-off w/said Annual..I bought a $26 cable from Spruce that locks in any position w/quarter turn of t-handle.My diabolical plan is to mount it under seat (near right knee). I thoughtabout the electric trim servo method, but I like staying in the stone age(no electrics). I will attempt to attach some fotos to this post. I am up forsuggestions/ideas.. if there might be a simpler method out there... I thought about the bungie/string technique that I've seen on here, but prefera "secondary" control, in the event I lose all hydraulics.--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tab1 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "g. doe"
may I ask what ur plane weighs and what type of fabric and paint process.. if thetrim works ill try one toRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:29:29 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Control cables need to have no slack, but not be so tight as to put unduestress on the control surfaces (which are wood). Having said that, you willfind due to the unique geometry of the elevator control system that it isimpossible to keep the up and down cables tight at all time..As in many things Pietenpol related, you just have to exercise your ownjudgement.For the bracing wires, again you don't want slack, and opposing cablesshould have approximately the same tension. The easiest way to determinethis is to pluck them like a guitar string and see if you get about the samenote (Thummmm) from them. If you have a tensiometer, fine. Go ahead anduse it, but it is probably not necessary.Of course, such tensioning methods for the flying wires and bracing wiresare to give a starting point. It may be necessary to tighten or loosen oneslightly to move a flying surface in such a way as to get the airplane "inrig". That's why they need to be adjustable.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
680lbs, stitts polyfiber sys, automobile imron paint on fuse only--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "TriScout"
thanks for the info. please let me know how the trim works. my fuse and tail arefinished.. now would be the right time to add a trim.. also I have read thatthe piet with a ford a weighs about 695 I would have guessed yours would havebeen a good bit less. thanks for the info. im using an a65 and the same propjimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "TriScout"
im confused. I thought we were here to get tips and get help with building. insteadi get an email about glass cockpits and ntsb reports. I think the subjectshould be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with this site and filter outall of the bs. there is good info but also lots of bs that should be handled offsite with personal e mails.:)Braniff1966 wrote:> if you are a glass cockpit guy consider looking at the ntsb site recorded hearingon the asiana accident. watch dave mckennys portion group three. he is myhuman factors chairmanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Christmas came just in time, with a strong hint to my daughter I think uncle Tony'sbooks will be under the tree, yipppeeeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
Mike;Good for you, planning to maximize your available build time over the holidays.One thing I might mention about fabricating your cowl is that you should ofcourse try removing and reinstalling the cowling with everything installed onthe engine, before the cowling is painted. My setup is with the usual top andbottom halves of the cowling joined by piano hinges to make either half removablewithout disturbing the other half by pulling the hinge pins, and that's agood thing. The removable top half makes servicing the top plugs, mags, harnesses,oil screen, and other stuff pretty easy, and it comes off readily. It'sthe bottom half that causes the problems, and it needs to come off when youhave to get to the carb, air box, oil sump, lower plugs, or anything else "downunder".My bottom half is in three pieces (four, actually)... the bottom and two sides,also joined with piano hinges but without removable pins, fixed to half of thenose piece. Picture here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CEA_Piet04.jpgThe fact that the lower cowling is in several pieces with hinges allows it to beflexed and maneuvered, but the problem is the exhaust stacks, which contactthe cowling pieces as I maneuver it to clear the air filter and carb heat box,which scratches the paint on the lower cowling. There's not really much to bedone about it other than having a helper around when you pull the cowlings (rarelythe case), or wrapping the stacks with soft rags or towels before pullingthe cowling, or just not caring too much if you get minor paint scratches (whichis my case with Scout, since I just shoot some Rustoleum Ford ImplementBlue on things from time to time). You'll see from the picture that the stacksare usually fabricated tucked in to the sides of the cowling, which helps withstreamlining but means you have to sneak past them with the cowling. By allmeans do some test-fitting with everything in place before you paint, or youmay end up crying when you get some scratches. Scout has long since forgivenme for scratches, and now doesn't even grumble unless I break or bend something;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: Chuck Campbell
this is a big change... having another set of eyes is always a plus. even if notrequired... synergy is always a good plan. hopefully you will get good inputfrom this group. my thought is that adding a moving flight control is possiblya major change. there are folks that do know and it aint me so I guess imwasting your time [Embarassed]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
...all valid points. I always leave things up to my AI/DAR. Since he signs thebooks, it's his dept. Last annual, he said I needed an ELT, so I ordered the new406 model ($588) w/in an hour of his suggestion. braniff is right... I figure an extra set of eyes can't hurt. When I tried forthe Annual this year, it was a no-go. My machine is currently grounded until hefinds the time to help change the rubber push rod housing bushings. There areno leaks, but the bushings are showing cracks (see picture). He will not signit off until we get the new ones on. We'll have to pull the cylinders to getto them. He's tough on mx, and I approve this message.--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/phot ... ______Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:02:58 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Neat! ... I'll run that by my mechanic. Thx for the info--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 06:02:16 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Oscar,Now can we be friends again?GarySent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 10:13:51 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Uncle Tony's Books

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now I cant playstupid anymore.. Merry ChristmasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Uncle Tony's Books

Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
That's where mine came from, too!GarySent from my iPhone> On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:29 AM, "aviken" wrote:> > > aren't daughters great! Mine got me a set as well . trouble is now I cantplay stupid anymore.. Merry Christmas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 189#416189> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:35:19 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Uncle Tony's Books

Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Uncle Tony's Books

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Gary; you're off probation, but it's going to be a long time till we can actuallybe friends again ;o) But hey, I see that the books now come in a spiral bindingthat permits them to lay flat on the bench. Nice touch!I sure wish I had remembered that the books show how to make those firewall shields.I just paid $11.50 for one from Aircraft Spruce, for my tach cable. I'vehad a giant grommet in the hole in the firewall, but I had to glop it withsealant to hold it in place because the cable is too stiff and kept pulling thegrommet out of the hole. It was ugly. A large hole is needed in the firewallto pass the connectors on the end of a tach cable. The 2-piece metal shieldis just the thing for the tach cable hole, so that's what I've got now.I did pull out one of the books the other day when I was trying to remember whichhole in the turn-and-bank was the vacuum and which was the static.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
Michael; I had the same question about replacing the pushrod tubes. I thoughtmaybe the pushrods could be pulled out through the head and then the old tubescould be hacksawed out in two pieces or something. That would require removalof the rockers though. It would spare the task of pulling the jugs, but wouldn'tbe a simple task in any case.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "TriScout"
here is where u can get the real answer.. drop me an e mail at JNL96(at)yahoo.comor call at 817 578 1215.. I will give u his number and address, he may wantto use your question in kitplane article.. this guy is a real pro and a very niceperson..that way u can get the straight scoop and not depend on on wood hackerslike ME [Idea] if ur question had not been posted I would have justtry it.. the rules changed about 2 years ago..at worse my GUESS would be a 5hour flyoff...mel ashberry will know. your question is a very good one and needsan answer not a guess from anyone like me... best of luck.. I ordered my cable...why did you want it on the floor?.. be sure to make it small enough thatyou can over power it with elevator if you forget and leave it in a full upor down position..jimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
thx braniff--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: adding trim