Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I would certainly like to try to get down there for it. little too far for me tofly mine in the springtime in Texas with the winds and weather like they tendto be in the panhandle, plus I'm not nearly through with my 40 hours test time.but I have family in ft.Worth and it's not that far to drive on over fromthere. as an idea- what about kind of an informal swap meet? if anybody has stuffthey would like to trade or sell I might help another builder. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Is anybody out there currently flying with a Matco solid 6" tailwheel (their modelT6)? My Scott 2000 is in need of overhaul but parts are difficult to findand are NOT inexpensive. I have a used Matco T6 in good condition that I canput on it but I thought I'd ask if anyone has pros or cons on it before I doso.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Oscar,My new tail wheel is that exact one. I love it!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I have an area in my barn that has a wood stove in it. I hang tarps from the balconyabove it to partition in off in the winter. With the stove I can bringthe shop up to 60 or even 70 when I need to on a reasonable winter day. When gluing, I will put my T-88 bottles in some warm water so the glue will flow.It didn't work this morning......-10 on the thermometer.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Too Cold!

Original Posted By: "pineymb"
Winter?Sent from my iPhone> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:11 AM, "John Francis" wrote:> > > I have an area in my barn that has a wood stove in it. I hang tarps from thebalcony above it to partition in off in the winter. With the stove I can bringthe shop up to 60 or even 70 when I need to on a reasonable winter day. > > When gluing, I will put my T-88 bottles in some warm water so the glue will flow.It didn't work this morning......-10 on the thermometer.> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 410#417410> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0041_510.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0042_141.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Back when I was crewing tankers in the Air Force, I observed the results of a tooshort approach one time. My plane had a drogue installed on the boom, 8 feetof hose and a basket for those Navy planes. After landing the crew ran backand looked at 8 feet of mangled hose and no basket. The supervisor of flyingdrove up with a mangled basket in the back of his pickup and said " Look whatwe found in the approach lights, guys."Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Too Cold!

Original Posted By: "Charles Burkholder"
John,I put my T88 in the microwave to thaw it. Works good. If you don't have electricityin your hangar I guess you could put it under your armpit for awhile. :)Gary,Winter, Just think December at my house. Remember??? Nough said bout that.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Why not move the compression strut a few inches - on the outboard side of the rib...thereis plenty of room.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
After a long drawn out battle of my whits, I decided to install the Matco 6" solidtail-wheel with the #4 homebuilders special leaf spring from ACS. I figuredI was going to eventually rip my tail wheel off on some bad landing 400 milesfrom home. It would be easier to call ACS and get new parts overnight thantry to find a way to repair he Bernard A-Frame style.I'm glad Gary and others have posted positive comments about the Matco unit. Iwas afraid I might be making a bad decision trading weight for convenience -until now that is. Love this forum!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on hisplans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am continuallycomplimented on the style and functionality of that tail wheel by locals whoare seeing it for the first time.All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the actualbuilding is the easy part!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
For those of us who haven't chosen a tailwheel solution would you be able to giveus a weight comparison between your new Marco and spring and the former a-frame.Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:31 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Good decision, Bob! Note that Mike Groah has that tail wheel on his> plans-built BHP A-frame and it functions perfectly for him. I am continually> complimented on the style and functionality of that tail wheel by locals who> are seeing it for the first time.> > All those decisions....they tend to keep us awake! Seems like the actual> building is the easy part!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Only problem with that line of thought (replacing a leaf spring rather thanrepairing a BHP A-frame) is tha the leaf spring won't break, but it will ripout, cracking the longerons in the process (ask me how I know). The A-framerepair would be much simpler. The A-frame is also lighter.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4"wheel that I previously had.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "tools"
Bob-- I neglected to mention that the A-frame trailing arm tailwheel assembly is of course an excellent way to go as well butyou have to reinforce the lower longerons with some kind of plywood laminations so that should you get into a ditch or severe groundloopthat the side loads won't rip the A-frame out of the longerons but of course if the forces are great enough nothing will hold together back there.I checked out the Matco tailwheel assemblies and they are far less in cost than my 4" diameter Homebuilders tailwheel assembly from Wicks.I wonder if you could replace that 6" wheel with a 4" wheel? Might not be enough weight savings to worry about but the 4" diameter wheel I've beenrunning has been ideal all the way around.This item below is from Wicks. They have three different versions of this with various bore hole sizes.Mike COhio[cid:image001.png(at)01CF1831.7EAD3B60]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
I've got the Matco and love it. Works flawlessly.Mine got stuck in soft dirt off the runway during a ground loop and it took allfour longerons right off.. with the tail post. Inexpensive repair, but verycomprehensive. The tailwheel and all associated parts are none the worse forwear. Repairing external parts (as in welding or replacing the a-frame) would be easier.I can't imagine breaking the Matco without damaging the longerons. I've not flown a Bernard style tailwheel, can attest the Matco is very beginnerfriendly. When you pin the tail down on pavement, you have perfect control invery adverse conditions. That's the aspect of it I like so much.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:26:59 +0000 (UTC)

Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Mike,The 6" tail wheel itself "seems" light. its the large piece of billet aluminumand the hardware for pivoting / steering that is "heavy" - it is a very stoutitem.My installation is nearly identical to yours Mike. I did beef up the area betweenthe two lower longerons and added plywood and aluminum "plates" covering theentire "V"area - I followed your drawings (west coast piets) nearly identical. And I agree one leaf spring seems to bouncy. I will be adding a seconds#4 special from ACS (following Uncle Tony's drawings/instructions for multiplesprings).--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel options-- spring or A-frame

Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Forgot to mention - before i get "pounced" there is a 1x4" strip of 4130 0100"on the inside to back up to bolts - would not consider ply wood and aluminum gussettsto be string enough to keep the bolts from pulling through!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:08:53 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Center section Fitting

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I like the A frame with the Matco tail wheel attached. It works well, it was easyto build, and it doesn't stress the fuselage in ways it wasn't designed tobe. I had the pneumatic tire on it at first which was quieter but I switchedto a solid rubber after getting a couple of flats. I did make new longer steeringarms for it that give it the proper steering geometry. It steers well, stayssteerable when needed and unlocks into free swivel if I want to pivot onone wheel. I wouldn't change a thing now. Mike GroahSent from my iPad> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:06 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > > Spring and Matco tail wheel are 4 1/2 lbs heavier than the A-frame and 4"> wheel that I previously had.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Chris"
Sounds like nothing but positive feedback on the Matco, so it will go on Scout'stail this weekend and I'll retire the worn-out Scott. My tailwheel is sprungwith two flat leaf springs on the tail.I put the Scott 2000 tailwheel on the cheesy bathroom scales that I have at thehangar and it wavered between 4.5 and 5 lbs. I then put the Matco on it andit wavered between 4.5 and 5 lbs, so it looks like a wash there.I will bring both tailwheels to our soils lab where we have accurate balance scalesand will compare the weights to see if I need to adjust the aircraft's W&Bsheet, but it looks like nothing more than a logbook entry and off we go. Ilike the way my Scott breaks over to free-castoring mode, so the Matco will haveto prove that it's the equal of the Scott in that respect. It says it breaksover at 40 degrees of pivot.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Several pictures of Mike's tail wheel are about 1/2 way down this page.http://westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coas ... --Original Message-----

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
EAAHotline (the weekly e-newsletter)has very interesting info regarding settingup a tail wheel. The member comments address steering geometry and wheel shimmyvery well. Check it outSent from my iPhone> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Chris" wrote:> > > Several pictures of Mike's tail wheel are about 1/2 way down this page.> > http://westcoastpiet.com/2013_west_coas ... hering.htm> > Chris> > > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Thanks guys. I didn't like the idea of notching the compression strut but sounds like it's ok so between that or modifying my current setup I should be set to go...Charles----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Gary; thanks for the suggestion on crossing the delta area. I'll go for altitude!I'll try for at least 2500'...--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
These are some good looking wheels on Ebay. 6 days left.http://www.ebay.com/itm/281252286142?ss ... -----Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Matco tailwheel

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I put the Matco T6 and Scott 2000 tailwheels on our lab scales, which give me reliablereadouts in tenths of a pound. The Matco is 0.4 lb lighter than the Scott(about 6 oz). I did a what-if with the lighter tailwheel in my W&B spreadsheetand found that installing the Matco changes things just a tad. I can flya slightly heavier pilot with two up and minimum fuel, but now the minimumpilot weight with full fuel and no passenger has gone up by 3 lbs... that minimumpilot weight is 108 lbs. or the CG falls out the front of the envelope.Of course no solo from front seat, and the airplane is so placarded. I supposeI could figure out how heavy a sandbag or can of water I would need to strapinto the rear cockpit if I just absolutely had to solo it from the front seat,but there is no carb heat control, brakes, or fuel shutoff available from thefront cockpit... and no flight instruments.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:41:58 -0800 (PST)

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: John Franklin
Ah, what a beauty! And didja see that Matco tailwheel on it? ;o)Beautiful restoration, and what a joy it must have been for the test pilot to dothe honors.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:55:51 -0600 (GMT-06:00)