Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Dear William Wynne,You're so right! My apologies. As I re-read Steve's e-mail below I see that yes, they were having trouble with their Corvair engine along this tripbut no, it was the landing incident that caused them to stop their journey. (though I doubt they would have continued the trip anyway knowing theyare having trouble with the engine.)And as far as making the progress and happenings of their flight public, Steve Williamson himself and EAA have both intentionally joined forces to make thiswonderful flight very public as Steve created a Facebook page just this month to post progress about his trip (see https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id ... 41&fref=ts)And my apologies for not posting my W&B data yet. You'll see that posted to the list early next week. You William, seem to be the only one interested in my W&B thoughbut I'll be glad to post it anyway.Also you seem to be hung up on where I work for some reason and how that may/may not relate to how or when or with what specifics I can/cannot help another builder orhow I go about that and you also seem to be very hung up on nice guys/ guys who tell it like it is and such but all of your hand waving in these areas and myriad of words just confusepeople and cause them to glaze over and delete your otherwise awesome posts about the facts of W&B, construction and engine tips, and homebuilding in general but that isthe neat part about American freedom of speech and Experimental aircraft builders----it is an awesome, wide-open hobby, sport, and passion in many cases and we are all freeto give/take advice and help others along the way in the manner we see fit.Mike C.OhioGreetings Mike,As you may already know, my partner and I are making plans to fly our Pietenpol to Brodhead/Oshkosh from our home base at French Valley in southern California. It's an ambitious adventure we're planning, but, as Peter likes to say, "You just have to look at it as ten 150-mile cross-country flights." (Yeah, each way!!)I hope that you are planning on attending the Brodhead fly-in this year. I look forward to seeing you again.Charlie Becker at EAA HQ has asked that I send him photos and updates on our progress so that he can post them on EAA's Facebook page. If you think anyone else would be interested in following our progress, please let me know. I'm not a "blogger" or a social media type guy, but I'll do what I can.Hope to see you at Brodhead.Your friend,Steve Williamson, Pres.EAA Chapter 1279________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:38:25 -0700

Original Posted By: jim hyde

Original Posted By: John Woods
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Thinking Out Loud

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Mike Cuy,Just because Steve had a face book page for the adventure doesn't mean it is OKto broadcast his partners landing mishap. Your speculation that they would nothave continued the trip is just that, for all you know he fouled a plug. Doyou think they would have put the plane in a u-haul over that?--------------------------------------------When I was young, astronauts and the engineers of NASA were my heroes. Many ofmy friends from Embry-Riddle went on to masters and PhDs in engineering and Physics,motivated by the chance that they might work for NASA. It was the goalof the best and the brightest. I have a hard time understanding how a person withthe anti- reading, anti-measurement, anti-testing bias and small capacityfor following a new line of thought, could even possibly work for the same organizationthat my friends, brilliant people with open minds, people who lovedlearning, thinking and questions more than provided answers strived to be a partof.--------------------------------------------------Mike P:The mere fact that I called you at home several months ago and told you I wouldbe glad to help you with learning about planes now seems like misplaced efforton my part. I can tell you have not read my articles on W&B because the infoon my own Pietenpol is included in the story, how I transformed it by makinga mount 6" longer. I admire your loyalty to Mike Cuy. but perhaps as a guy whocan't do weight and balance, didn't read the articles, couldn't start an A-65,just soloed for the first time, and just found out that actually being a structuresengineer takes 500X the math skills of doing a W&B, maybe you shouldn'ttry 'calling me out' on W&B, especially since it was in the articles. Understandthat the reason why I am giving Mike C a hard time on W&B is actually onyour behalf: I strongly suspect that Mike is not sharing his W&B because he isat times flying behind the aft limit. That is his choice, but when he then tellsnew guys like you to build your plane just like his, I think he is doing adisservice. If this is true, your loyalty is to the wrong guy. Mike, when youshare the numbers, be aware that I am good enough to know if you are fudgingit. You are better off telling me to drop dead and you don't have to share anythingthan trying to get creative.----------------------------------------------Mr. Braniff:I get that you think car engines in planes are stupid. Just to be fair, when theywork well, I expect that you will also chime in and say they are stupid. Likewhen we talk about Randy Bush's plane having 500 hours on it, please call himstupid, or Tom Brown's having 1,500, or the Last Original having 800, pleasechime in and call these people stupid at that time also. Considering that BHPwas the greatest enabler of auto engine use of all time, perhaps you shouldjust call him stupid every time his name comes up here. I am sure it would reallyopen some peoples minds, those foolish people who thought BHP was a genius.90 days ago we had a builder with a Corvair powered plane get very seriously injuredwhen the engine in his plane quit in the pattern, and he had a forced landingin a swampy area. He was trapped in the plane for nearly 5 hours. In theweeks that he was hospitalized, two internet discussion groups had dozens ofposts from people like you, all saying how terrible car engines are, and howthis never would have happed with a Lycoming/Continental/Rotax The tracking onthese sites showed that thousands of people read these comments. A month laterthe report comes out, and the feds found only one tablespoon of fuel in theplane. Not one of the anti auto engine people chimed back in to explain how certifiedengines run without fuel.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 06:50:39 -0700