Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Mike,The smile tells it all!Thanks! Keep flying, giving rides and helping those who are still building! We sill get there.Ray KrauseSkyScout coming along....slowly.Sent from my iPad> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:15 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" wrote:> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdtgC10 ... load_owner> > > What a gorgeously smooth night it was last night in the Cleveland area. For all of you out there building or just starting to build or even just dreaming about> building a Pietnepol, here=99s a little slice of Pietenpol heaven for you all that I have been so BLESSED to be able to share with so many over the years.> > Keep building, keep working in your shops little by little and don=99t give up the dream of completing your VERY OWN Pietenpol Air Camper. Even 16 years> after first flying my Pietenpol the joy and fulfillment of taking someone for their first Pietenpol ride hasn=99t diminished or dimmed ONE bit!> > I hope you all enjoy the flight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!> > Mike C.> Ohio> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Report

Original Posted By: JammerRv8(at)aol.com
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Piet Group: Please forgive the intrusion (as Axel Olsson says in the Great Waldo Pepper) but I reformatted my weight and balance Word document to bemuch smaller than the original .pdf file I sent Saturday in case some of you didn't receive the post with the attachment.Here's what I posted on Saturday just in case it didn't come thru for you.Mike C.William Wynne writes:"the reason why I am giving Mike C a hard time on W&B is actually on your behalf: I strongly suspect that Mike is not sharing his W&B because he is at times flying behind the aft limit. That is his choice, but when he then tells new guys like you to build your plane just like his, I think he is doing a disservice. If this is true, your loyalty is to the wrong guy. Mike, when you share the numbers, be aware that I am good enough to know if you are fudging it.Dear William-you have such grand visions of paranoia about why I have not shared my weight and balance. My world is not small enough to worry about what you think of me sharing or not sharing my weight and balancewith the list because the guy I am trying to help (as he stated just yesterday on the Pietenpol list) does in fact have paper copies of my original W&B paperwork in-hand, Mike Perez. I also copied the great notes for Mike Perezthat I had on hand for Mike Perez that Bill Rewey authored on how to do a good W&B on our little Pietnepol airplanes so Mike could have several different ways of doing his own calculations and choose the one that fit his mathematic style and likes best.And thankfully, with the outstanding W&B teachings and guidelines that my Uncle Tony Bingelis authored for us in this wonderful book series on homebuilt aircraft, I was able to conduct an accurate and complete W&B on my airplane and compare that with the dozens of Pietenpol builders whom I had met at Brodhead after measuring their wing set-back, knowing their personal body weights, and talking with them about how their plane flies full fuel, low fuel, long fuselage, short fuselage,extended motor mount, as-plans motor mount and soforth and examining their W&B paperwork to guide me as I built my Pietenpol and made my own decisions. Go ahead and double check my original pencil-drawn and .pdf scanned paperwork from 16 years ago that I prepared for myself, for the FAA MIDO Inspector, and for future owner/operators of my aircraft for when I am long gone but certainly not for you and your little paranoia's about why I haven't posted my numbers to the list. I have better things to do with my life than to fudge my data to see if you can catch any errors and I'm a bit stupid at times but I'm never stupid enough to build and fly my own airplane in an aft-CG condition. You're wasting your time worrying about what you "suspect" others are doing or not doing and what might motivate them and you are distracting from the good nature of this list with negativity and your critical nature that just divides.And William, besides making sure my plane was built to have a very safe and good operating CG range, I took great pains to ensure that my plane was built to the best of my ability, using all the educational reading materials at my disposal, and with the best aircraft-grade materials and aircraft engine overhaul practices of the day so that I could have confidence in flying safely for years to come and so that I would have confidence in giving rides to precious Mom's, Dad's, Grandparents, sons, daughters, school kids, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Aunts, Uncles, little kids, big kids, old guys, young guys, young gals, old gals, Aunts, nieces, nephews, neighbor kids, 4-H kids, Young Eagle kids, my own brother, dearest friend Bill, the EAA photographers in the trenches at New Holstein, an F-18 West Coast Demonstration Team pilot who was building his own RV-6 (named James Shoenberger in case you "suspect that Mike Cuy isn't telling the truth...again.." ) , A Pearl Harbor survivor, an airport bum, people at the Brodhead fly-in and many other fly-in's around Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, a high school friend and his children, his wife, his best friend...... and yes, even Michael Perez, his wife Susan , and his two boys.Even last night I gave a ride to a precious High School senior from the area who means the world to me and her Mom, a Kindergarten school mate of mine from 50 years ago (that would be 1964) (we were 5 when me met) allowed her daughter to take flight with me and I had no reservations about giving her that ride and sharing this wonderful gift of flight that we ultimately build a 2-seat, open cockpit airplane for.Mike C.Ohio[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFA8D3.1754C130]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report

Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
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Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
I can hear it now...to the good people of Kokomo, "There I was, over the Herken Woods...."Sent from my iPhone> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> > > HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!> > Well, RE-PIET=99s wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am this morning after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was ever-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the briefing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecast I saw disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and kindly called me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really invaluable for a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.> > Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to Kanakakee (=9Cno gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out=9D thank God for my big wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo was okay, but with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew closer and closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descended as I got close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed on and felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me. Swooped in landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX then got really nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled through with the first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my plane into a kindly offered hangar.> > Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked like crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse meal after which I slept in the lounge.> > Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another low ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was good on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went well. Another big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and we were home.> > Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying evenings and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms this year and as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I counted 14 or 15 Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her passenger husband and was a joy to meet.> > I=99m sure I=99ll leave someone out so, please forgive me but in attendance was:> > Bach=99s Piet> Dan H> Greg> Can=99t remember their name but the white and green one> Bob=99s blue with the yellow nose> =9CTools=9D Danford=99s blue and yellow flew almost constantly> RE-PIET> Larry =9Ccurmudgeon=9D Williams on a barnstorming tour of the Midwest> Jill from the little country north of us> A corvair powered =9Clast original=9D clone, maybe the oldest =9Cnon-Bernard=9D Piet around> The Last Original made an appearance or two.> Bob=99s new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece> The Rudolf piet> I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn=99t dain to park with the riff-raff> The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the Pietenpol area for a while.> > > Like I said, I=99m sure I=99m missing someone=99s. We sure missed some regulars, but it was awesome to see so many, and some new ones!> > I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could all enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes> > As always, it was a great time and I=99m already looking forward to Brodhead 2015> > Douwe> > Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh =9Ctwister=9D images? Thank God they didn=99t touch down! One can only imagine> > Keep on building, it=99s worth it.> > Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone of our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am going to put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help us regain the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going to wait until everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down, then I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get too serious/silly/ or profane. We can instantly refer to these..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2014

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Hi Douwe Glad you had a safe trip. These pietenpols are all about doing things the old way. That is only one of the many attributes of this design. I too have noticed the sometimes disrespect of time proven members and aircraft of this group. Discussions mentioning "loyalty to the wrong guy"and suggesting one would"fudge" W&B data have no place here. Some rules of conduct are definitely in order. I've enjoyed being a member of this group. There is much to learn and much to be taught(even by arrogant,self promoting,self proclaimed experts). Apparently, we need rules of conduct to disseminate this information so as not to disrespect one another. Too bad, really.Sent from my iPhone> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:54 PM, "Douwe Blumberg" wrote:> > > HELLO GOOD PEOPLE!> > Well, RE-PIET=99s wheels touched down at her home base at 8:30am this morning after a rather stressful trip home. The WX all the way down was ever-changing and apparently must have been hard to forecast because the briefing I got seemed to have NO basis in reality and every other forecast I saw disagreed with eachother. Dan Helsper was an hour ahead of me and kindly called me with real-time WX each time he landed which was really invaluable for a fairly inexperienced cross-country pilot.> > Illinois was pretty good, but windy as the day went on. I got down to Kanakakee (=9Cno gas sir, a Stearman just bought us out=9D thank God for my big wing tank) before I tried for Kokomo, Indiana. WX said Kokomo was okay, but with a big crosswind. However as I went the puffy clouds grew closer and closer and finally became a solid ceiling which gradually descended as I got close. I knew I could turn around and get out of it so I pressed on and felt great relief when I saw the beautiful grass field below me. Swooped in landed fighting a really bad crosswind, but it was fine. WX then got really nice for a couple of hours, then a big squall line rolled through with the first big drops and wind hitting right as we rolled my plane into a kindly offered hangar.> > Decided to be safe and stay the night as the Ohio River Valley looked like crap. Some airport folks took me in and made me a homestyle farmhouse meal after which I slept in the lounge.> > Wheels up at 7:00am with a 16kt tailwind and made it home through another low ceiling area, but again, I knew I could turn around AND I knew it was good on the other side because Marci was texting me photos, so all went well. Another big crosswind at my asphalt home field to contend with and we were home.> > Brodhead 2014 was great. The WX was PRETTY decent with good flying evenings and mornings. It got warm and buggy, but no big thunderstorms this year and as observed, the turnout was surprisingly good. I think I counted 14 or 15 Piets. Jill did make it down from Canada with her passenger husband and was a joy to meet.> > I=99m sure I=99ll leave someone out so, please forgive me but in attendance was:> > Bach=99s Piet> Dan H> Greg> Can=99t remember their name but the white and green one> Bob=99s blue with the yellow nose> =9CTools=9D Danford=99s blue and yellow flew almost constantly> RE-PIET> Larry =9Ccurmudgeon=9D Williams on a barnstorming tour of the Midwest> Jill from the little country north of us> A corvair powered =9Clast original=9D clone, maybe the oldest =9Cnon-Bernard=9D Piet around> The Last Original made an appearance or two.> Bob=99s new beautiful Orange and Blue masterpiece> The Rudolf piet> I saw the Knight Ford-powered red and silver one fly twice, but it didn=99t dain to park with the riff-raff> The Brodhead based red Scout made some flights and actually graced the Pietenpol area for a while.> > > Like I said, I=99m sure I=99m missing someone=99s. We sure missed some regulars, but it was awesome to see so many, and some new ones!> > I wish the Brodhead-based PIets would come out and play more so we could all enjoy them, but they seem happier staying in their homes> > As always, it was a great time and I=99m already looking forward to Brodhead 2015> > Douwe> > Ps. Did you guys see the Oshkosh =9Ctwister=9D images? Thank God they didn=99t touch down! One can only imagine> > Keep on building, it=99s worth it.> > Pss. After sensing for the last year or two a salient shift in the tone of our little group here, and reading some things upon my return, I am going to put together some informal rules and suggestions that might help us regain the kinder/gentler tone this list once had. I=99m going to wait until everyone is home and settled and I have time to put my thoughts down, then I=99ll submit it for suggestions and then each time things get too serious/silly/ or profane. We can instantly refer to these..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:24:31 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead 2014

Original Posted By: shad bell

Original Posted By: piperj3cubflyer
traffic patterns are a suggestion.. only a real idiot and self ceneterd ass wouldnot fly a pattern.. we have been flying the same rectangle pattern for atleast 80 years. it works, its safe but there is always some one that thinks theyare smarter.. i saw a fellow get his ass whipped big time in fromt of the gaspump because he didnt fly the pattern. this guy flew a left hand pattern whena right hand pattern is clearly published. he made the other guy make a goaround so when they met at the pump the big guy cleaned the ramp with the littleguys face. it was one of the highlights of my aviation 60 year career.. ona personal note when i was a kid i hit a cessna 210 making a straight in approachat gaineaville , tx muni airport. the guy was an ATP but he thought thatthe rules and SOPs didnt apply to him. hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Thanks Mike for the smoker system idea! Here a video of my son and myself and he did not know I installed the smoker system!ThanksJeffN8031http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqNkgQo2e5Q&sns=emSent from my iPhone> On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:> > After watching your video, I definitely need smoke. About how long can you smoke it on one pump up of the sprayer? Also is it in the archives how you made the exhaust fitting, or can you just share that with us ? It looks like it works very well, but if you have already done the research on orifice size it could save me some time.> > Ben Charvet> 220 hours on NX866BC> >> On 7/30/2014 11:12 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:>> Here are the handy little Lowe=99s or Home Depot garden department poly spray bottles that I use to pressurize my smoke oil (basically mineral oil) to inject>> into the right rear exhaust pipe of my A-65 engine. Every year I need to replace the bottle because the old bottles begin to leak as soon as you pump them>> up from exposure to the oil after a while. >> >> Last night I installed the new poly bottle and was bummed because it held less fluidor so I thought. >> >> Which one do you think holds more fluid? I was surprised to read that the container on the right holds 56 oz. and the old bottle on the left holds 51 oz.>> I still don=99t believe it and am going to do a little test next time I empty out the new smoke oil bottle! (which won=99t take long if this gorgeous weather keeps up.)> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!!________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Distance LE to front spar

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thank you gentlemen. I understand now.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Hi, I'm getting ready to order the materials for the control system and I'm wonderingabout control pulleys... Which ones are you guys using? Aircraft spruce has some phenolic or poly ones.Is there a better source?Thanks,Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report

Original Posted By: "tools"
Well now that I have officially joined this site and can break in I would liketo lighten the mood a bit at this time to say thank you to everyone that workedvery hard to make our first trip to a broadhead pietenpol and hatz fly in themost enjoyable that I have ever attended. I was very impressed how the mealswere well organized, pleasantly servered and most importantly delicious! I hadnever heard of a fish boil but now you have me hooked,no pun intended. Theonly trash I seen was a napkin blowing across the taxiway on Friday when we hadabove 15mph gust so thank you to the crews collecting all the trash I have neverbeen to a cleaner event. A couple years ago my dad said he wanted to build an airplane and with me currentlya student pilot at 39 and him at 60ish and had his pilots license at 16 I was very excited. I had never even thought of building an airplane and maybea even a little hesitant. As of now he has built his verticle and horizontalstabilizer and wing ribs and has the lumber for the fuselage. So you can imaginethe questions we had for everyone we met and who could give advice or answersto us so I would like to say thank you everyone we had a chance to meetover the 4 days we were there. I would like to give a added huge thank you toTools for my first pietenpol flight and reassuring me that these aircraft arean absolute pleasure to fly. That weekend has really inspired me and has givenme that spark I needed to keep flying because....... I don't want fly. I have to fly. Sincerely,JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
It cost me over a thousand dollars and a bunch of nights on the ground to get myPiet to brodhead.There's only ONE reason I did it...To give someone a ride that NEEDS one!I did that a BUNCH of times over. Priceless! And I still have to fly it backsouth... and probably north again next summer. PRICELESS!Probably do it again next year. For the SAME reason. I had the BEST time EVER!!Cheers,ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report