Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "rkirk77"
Oh ya, beers on me... But ya gotta come to toolstock to get them!My life of luxury is over. Most heavy drivers coming back down to a light twintend to flare high. But as it turns out, I have WAY more stick time in the Pietthan the A330 over the last three years... Sooooo... Treated my first 700passengers to a proper landing. One where ya land like ya mean it! Ya...One day off then the final trip complete with an observation by the Feds... THENthe Lance goes fully away. Hopefully it'll warm up enough to get a fee landingsin the Piet before I lose my touch.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
Hi Guys,I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .What are these and how do i make them?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Uh... You using a one to one ratio epoxy, probably t88?Have no clue what a test strip is! Can tell you if you have any idea how to formtwo piles of goo that are different colors the same size, and aren't colorblind enough to the point you have no idea if they're mixed (meaning you can tellwhen they are), you'll be fine!Now, if you're mixing a specialized epoxy to hold tunnel support rods in an underwatertunnel in Boston... I'd get a little worried!ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I didn't know that a pietenpol had a left seat!?? Congratulations Captain! GlenSent from my iPhone> On Dec 18, 2014, at 6:52 AM, "tkreiner" wrote:> > > Congratulations, Tools! > > Nice to know the guy in the left seat's been approved!> > --------> Tom Kreiner> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 836#435836> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharingthe photos and your discovery!Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "rkirk77"
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. Oneto test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp methodas the joints you madeSent from my iPhone> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:> > > Hi Guys,> > I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .> > What are these and how do i make them?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 842#435842> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
A test strip tests the bond strength of each mixed batch of epoxy. Do two. Oneto test to destruction, one to keep. Glue scraps using the same clamp methodas the joints you madeSent from my iPhone> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:> > > Hi Guys,> > I've just finished my 3rd rib and just found out that I should have been making"test strips" with every batch of epoxy [Shocked] .> > What are these and how do i make them?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 842#435842> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "rkirk77"
Hi Tools,Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I can tell..lol).Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
Glen - Put one overlapping the other?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "rkirk77"
Glen's idea is even better, gluing scrap with the leftover. You'll feel comfortableand confident soon enough. Glen's suggestion will also give you an idea where you're using too much or toolittle glue.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
I always use too much glue on all of my joints.. ROFLRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
First, thanks!What terry didn't mention was that neither did I! I put the preference in overten years ago and forgot it was there! We have a saying, bid what ya want, andwant what ya bid... Wups!It was time anyway, I was starting to get a little surly...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Way to go, Tools! Maybe now, since you are worthy of a salute, we shouldreverse your name and call you Sloot!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Got a new guy in my s3 squadron... He farted a lot, we called him stool. Beforehim I was the fart king. Although we looked way different, we both had jetblack hair and monster eyebrows and people got us mixed up all the time. We eventuallyboth became known as stools!Practically nothing in this world is new! Maybe go with sloots?! Not my call...Of course lots of folks would joke about just calling me tool... Which, again,wasn't my call, but I would remind them of self fulfilling prophecies!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "curtdm(at)gmail.com"
Wow! A Sky Scout with a Corvair engine! Sure would like to see some performancenumbers. When did it last fly? I love those wheels, wonder what they are.Thanks,Ray KrauseBuilding SkyScoutSent from my iPad> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> > > Wow Brian---those were some GREAT barn finds out in Utah. Thank you for sharingthe photos and your discovery!> > Mike C.> Ohio> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Very cool find! Thank you for sharing them with us!What is the model in the second photo?--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "dwilson"
Brian,So did you buy it? [Wink] Are those VG's on the upper surface of the Sky Scout wing?Thanks for sharing!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
What was this toolstock thing again ?DanRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
It's a Baby Ace, I think he told me it was a 1929.BrianSLC-UT-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hey Terry, Did Mike order a larger hat size as well? LOL WinkBarry-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Dang it was cold last Saturday, but hey..somebody's gotta do it.Barry DavisNX973BP________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By:
Dan, That is a weekend where anyone and everyone who wants to can come camp out at Tool'shouse and use his equipment. It may be some that you may not have Normal access to. VERY extensive collection of tools, hence the call sign. He isthe only guy I know with 3 phase power to his personal shop, if that tells youanything.I like to refer to it as "Toolapalooza" myself.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine(at)L-3com.com
Correction... A/W date shows it's a 1990.Brian-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Good idea! That way would be great for comparison.Sent from my iPhone> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:52 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:> > > Glen - Put one overlapping the other?> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 849#435849> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
The subject once again is T-88. Good stuff. One concern is thermal resistance.Try this. Then tell me what you think: glue a piece of 1.5mm ply to a pieceof wood let it cure. Use your covering iron to get the ply just slightly toohot to touch. The ply will peel off like a post it note. With thousands of planes being built using T-88, obviously it works, but shouldthis be a concern?Sent from my iPhone> On Dec 18, 2014, at 7:50 AM, "rkirk77" wrote:> > > Hi Tools,> > Yes, I am using T-88 Epoxy and mixing it at a 1:1 ratio (.. or near as I cantell.. lol).> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 848#435848> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Last weekend in February, just a weekend where folks show up and use my shops andmachine tools to do projects. Started as a group of folks who restore woodworkingtools. Starting last year, expanding to home builders as well. Can crash anywhere, have a decent sized house available, thirty five acres, a couplemotor homes, spare tents, a box truck... Don't matter!We just pass the hat and cook onsite, lots of coolers full of everything, goesfrom Thursday to sun. Usually lots of shooting as well. Have had machine gunsshow up, rifles, shotguns, pistols... WWII vintage, you name it. My piet should be available for rides, might have access to a 182 this year aswell if anyone needs a bfr or something. Go to OWWM.ORG and search toolstock, and youtube search toolstock '10 for pics,movies and discussion. It's free, casual, no schedule. Looks like we will have accomplished aircraft welding mentors available this yearas well as a tech advisor or two. Insofar as piets, can play with a ford ablock, make, rout, mill wing spars. Mill wood, cut parts on a metal cuttingsaw. Might have an a and p available if someone wants to fly in and get an annual.Have a couple grass fields nearby, and a rather varsity strip at the house.Might be a hundred folks, might be ten. About 40 to 50 during the event is normal.Kinda fun.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
That's one reason T-88 isn't approved by the FAA for repair work oncertificated airplanes. As far as I know, the only glue approved by the FAAis Resorcinol. Resorcinol meets a Mil Spec that requires, among otherthings, being able to be immersed in boiling water for 24 hours with no lossof strength. That's very handy to know, if you ever plan to boil yourairplane.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "rkirk77"
Brian,Great photos, especially of the man himself. I have never met him in person, buthe corresponded with many people, and in the late 1980s and early 1990s he wroteshort bits and sent photos in to the Buckeye and international newsletters.When I first started working with Corvairs, he was one of the few people writingabout what he was up to.His Corvair/Scout snow photo is popular, it has been on our old site for 15 years, it is the 2nd one down at this link: http://www.flycorvair.com/planes.htmlMr. Karren wrote about flying in UT, often mentioned that his field elevation wassomething like 7,000' Nice to see that he is still out there and his work isin good condition. -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
I am also using 1/4" nails.. and I am keeping them in. :)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original, mostis reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my timeshowing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,fixing neglected stuff and drinking!I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event.Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:57:38 -0500Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: Jack
Unbelievably, casein glue is also legal on some planes... Is the heat thing a concern? I just REALLY don't know. Boat builders sure putthe screws to the stuff, is that comforting? Again...I'm not so sure the reason epoxy isn't legal isn't the same reason casein is. As in the case of the l-5. Pretty sure there isn't an ad requiring you to makesure microbes haven't eaten your glue. That airplane is totally dependent onglue in the wings, doesn't even have anti drag wires, rather plywood shear panels.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "namrednos"
Tools please mention the dates and your location again. We may be coming back fromFlorida about then... Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:50 AM, "tools" wrote:> > > Keep in mind all my stuff came off a scrap truck. Some restored to original,most is reasonable, some barely working and some pure yard art. I spend my timeshowing folks idiosyncrasies of tools, looking for tooling amongst the clutter,fixing neglected stuff and drinking!> > I invite as many mentors as I can, but it's very much a what YOU make of it event.Come with a project, help someone else, just watch, doesn't matter.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 875#435875> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "tools"
I just finished my 30th rib, (so you know I have not tested my Piet). The way Itest is to take each Popsicles stick that I applied that batch with and applyit together with a scrap piece of plywood. After two days I tear them apart.I make sure the joint tears apart with wood fiber, not at the glue joint.--------ScottRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It is no longer "Lance Captain" Mike Danford

Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Would be great to have you!Feb 26 to mar 1. Always welcome by anytime though. I may or may not be there,but someone will.Chickamauga ga, just south of chatt tn. Closest interstate exit, battlefield parkwayoff I-75, last exit in ga. Or the Trenton exit off I-59.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "geraldmorrissey"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AubJnqouy7828 second video. I know about as much about this project as you.Mike C.OhioOh yes.....and their human-powered helicopter too.....35 seconds.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoyZAf ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I built some Smith Termite ribs back in 1968. They have been hanging in variousplaces in all kind of temperature and humidity conditions unvarnished ever since.Last year I tested one to destruction and the wood broke before the gluebond. The glue was Weldwood Plastic Resin. I've built a lot of stuff with T-88but still love the plastic resin the best. Mix with water, fool proof. CheersGerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: all metal Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "geraldmorrissey"
Some of you may remember Douwe's FIRST Piet, the one hop wonder. I still thinkit was the best looking Piet built in the last 10 years but I digress. We startedrepairs on one one wing at Sun N Fun a couple of years ago and discoveredthat the gussets on the ribs could be popped off with a pen knife with the woodleft perfectly intact. Not good. The ribs were assembled with casien glueaka plastic resin. At the time, it was available from AS&S as well as otherseven though AC 43-13 cautioned against it. Hopefully Douwe himself will chimein on the issues it caused and the effort that went into making RePietSeveral years ago, as an experiment, I made test pieces to compare T-88, Resorcinol,and West Systems. The T-88 was mixed by eye, the Resorcinol by weight andthe West System by volume. I used Sitka cap strip and Okoume gussets to makea Tee and then slowly applied pressure until something happened. In all casesexcept one, the wood failed. The single failure was an improperly built Tee.It is my opinion the reason the FAA does not list epoxy as "accepted" or "approved"in 43-13 is because there are so many kinds with wildly differing quality.I further suspect that none of the manufacturers want to go through hoops toget their products recognized and then ride the liability tail for 17 yearsor whatever it is now. I have a dollar in my pocket that says both T-88 and WestSystems could pass whatever mil or astm spec that applies. If anybody knowswhat specific testing is involved, it might be a useful data point.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Apparently Weldwood Plastic resin is not a casine glue. It's a ureaformaldehydewood glue I may be wrong on this but from what I can tell from a web searchand Weldwoods web page, it's not the same stuff. Also plastic resin has a shelflife which a lot of people don't know about, must be applied correctly (a littlethick), needs sufficient clamping pressure and can be real messy. GerryRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
I don't know how to tell when you have the perfect match prop without trying asmany different combinations as possible. I probably will build another one whenI have time, maybe a little longer and a tad more pitch. When I used theprevious carb, I was getting 2300 rpm and 225 lb on the fish scales, NowI'm getting 2000 and 180 lbs. so the carb is a big part of the picture.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Ray, looks beautiful, really beautiful...!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

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Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Oscar my compliments on carrying on the important work of Vi Kapler!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Dec 21, 2014, at 4:35 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > I just completed the load test of the latest batch of hinges and am happy to report that they have met or exceeded the strength of the earlier ones that Vi tested. The test sample that Vi sent me had broken at 700 lbs and mine was loaded to over 900 lbs and it never broke. For anyone who is interested, details of my load testing are at http://www.flysquirrel.net/loadtest.html .> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 974#435974> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!

Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > I have done the FAA "Glue Boil Test" using T-88 .... nothing came apart.> > An interesting read=3B From "Construction Notes" Falco Builders Letter." (http://www.seqair.com/skunkworks/Glues/Notes/Notes.html)> > WF2> > --------> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 905#435905> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing rib help!