Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Hi everyone,The last week has been productive and I have my plane all together and rigged. I have the covering material and will start after the New Year. Just a couple pictures, if I can add them.The cowling and other metal work is done, also.Ray Krause> > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Looking good, Ray! If my experience is any indication, you should have itflying in about a year from now.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Beautiful work , Ray! Anxious to see you cowl. Thanks for sharing. GlenSent from my iPhone> On Dec 19, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Ray Krause wrote:> > Hi everyone,> > The last week has been productive and I have my plane all together and rigged.I have the covering material and will start after the New Year. Just a couplepictures, if I can add them.> > > > > The cowling and other metal work is done, also.> > > > > Ray Krause> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,You are probably about right. As I read the Stewart info, it looks like a lot ofsteps to get her done.But I will keep plugging away.RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > > Looking good, Ray! If my experience is any indication, you should have it> flying in about a year from now.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Gerrit-Jan Kaal
Ray; she's a beauty! Coming together nicely. Question: what diameter are thewing X-brace cables on the airplane? They don't look like 1/8".--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:58:37 +0100Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Garrit,The landing gear is built exactly to plans for the Sky Scout. My understanding is that the Sky Scout was designed and built AFTER the Air Camper and in response to complaints of potential builders to the cost of the Model A engine. So Bernard designed the Scout as a single place plane with the Model T engine ( 25 Hp on a good day) that was very plentiful and almost free because the A had come out. The T's were filling up the junk yards! An A-65 should make it a hot rod!The Scout has the same wing, tail and a little shorter fuselage. I guess the gear was designed as an alternative for the "lighter" Scout. It is interesting that the plans for the gear just call for a spring that "is about 11" long and will hold about 400 lbs". Finding that spring is/was quite the challenge. Harley spring forks have springs the right diameter but too long and progressive... do not work, too springy! Living in a farm community, I found a GlenCo chisel spring plow spring that is close, but not yet stiff enough. But I think it can be fixed with some fooling around. I'm becoming a "spring engineer" (spring rate and spring load). Suggestions are welcome!The gear placement is also according to plans and may not jive with William Wynn's findings for gear placement (relation of wheel center to leading edge). I will find out.It is also interesting that the plans call for the wing to be "sloped back 5 inches". I'm just using a modified J-3 tank as a header tank instead of a wing tank. That should help the CG, at least when it is full? I also added an inch to the mount. Guess I can always hang a 100 lb sack of beans between the landing gear (lots of room there) if I'm still tail heavy. I figure two hours in the Scout might be enough! When I fly it to Brodhead, over the Sierras and Rockies, I might need a wing tank, too!How's that for an answer to a simple question?Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Gerrit-Jan Kaal wrote:> > Interesting undercarriage configuration. What were your contemplations to build it like this?> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:30 AM, Ray Krause wrote:>> Hi everyone,>> >> The last week has been productive and I have my plane all together and rigged. I have the covering material and will start after the New Year. Just a couple pictures, if I can add them.>> >> >> >> >> The cowling and other metal work is done, also.>> >> >> >> >> Ray Krause>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> ->> Gifts!)>> >> br> ttp://www.aeroelectric.com" target="_blank">http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com>> ot;http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com>> http://www.homebuilthelp.com" target="_blank">http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com>> "http://www.mypilotstore.com" target="_blank">http://www.mypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com>> ="http://www.mrrace.com" target="_blank">http://www.mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com>> nics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... ntribution>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> ->> nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> EB FORUMS ->> tronics.com" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com>> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Oscar,The plans for the Scout call for 3/32" cable for all the cross bracing on the Scout and solid 14G wire for the tail, where I used 1/6" cable. I have the AirCamper plans, but could not find the call-out for the wing cables to make a comparison. As an engineer, do you think 3/32" is enough?You certainly have a good eye. Did you notice the idler cable for the ailerons above the fabric on the wing? Kind of neat, maybe it will work as a VG thingy in some way! Hope it does not interfere with the lift, probably not much to spare! I assume Bernard test flew it and obviously survived.Thanks for the comments.RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 20, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:> > Oscar, my plans call for 3/32 wire for the wing x-brace cables. Chuck> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM, taildrags wrote:>> >> Ray; she's a beauty! Coming together nicely. Question: what diameter are the wing X-brace cables on the airplane? They don't look like 1/8".>> >> -------->> Oscar Zuniga>> Medford, OR>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> A75 power>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 940#435940>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==========>> br> fts!)>> r> > com" target="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com>> w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com>> p.com" target="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com>> e.com" target="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com>> " target="_blank">www.mrrace.com>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> ==========>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> FORUMS ->> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "Riegerb"
Still got the antiques. Not sure the dc-3 has been active though. Ya, seriouslynice planes!Also never been in a dc-9 except my northwest interview...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
RayHere is an Air Camper with the exposed wire above the fabric. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20 ... 1069.JPGIt seems to have flown just fine.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20 ... _0144.JPGI wouldn=99t worry about yours.ChrisSacramento, CAWestcoastPiet.com

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Brian,Thanks.When will you be in Davis? Maybe we can get together again.RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Riegerb wrote:> > > Looks great Ray!> > --------> riegerpietenpol.tumblr.com> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 961#435961> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Thanks, Chris.I'm not really worried about it, just interested in it since this design came after the AirCamper. Was it just a test, or catering to whiners who wanted cheap and easy? I have the 146 photos that Jake took of the Sky Scout in the museum outside Seattle. There are really great pictures of this feature. I will get them to you as soon as I transfer them to my computer. They would be great on the Westcoastpiet site.It's all fun and games, it just makes me wonder.RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 21, 2014, at 12:16 PM, CatDesigns wrote:> > Ray> > Here is an Air Camper with the exposed wire above the fabric. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20 ... G_1069.JPG> > It seems to have flown just fine.> > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20 ... G_0144.JPG> > I wouldn=99t worry about yours.> > Chris> Sacramento, CA> WestcoastPiet.com> >

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
My error... The glue in Douwe's wing was plastic resin, not casien as originallystated. It appeared that the tail feathers were assembled using the same stuffbut those joints were MUCH stronger. At the time, we suspected that it wasused correctly on them and not on the ribs. The latest version of 43-13 saysthat urea-formeldehyde glues are only used with specific, case by case, FAAapproval. AS&S no longer carries it.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ray; if the plans call for 3/32" for the wing strut x-brace cables, then far beit from me to second-guess the adequacy of it. Don't change a thing. FWIW,many standard catalog listings for galvanized 7x19 cable show a breaking strengthof 1000 lbs. for 3/32" and 2000 lbs. for 1/8".--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Thanks, Oscar. I will go with the plans and fly straight and level, only in goodweather!RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 21, 2014, at 5:07 PM, taildrags wrote:> > > Ray; if the plans call for 3/32" for the wing strut x-brace cables, then farbe it from me to second-guess the adequacy of it. Don't change a thing. FWIW,many standard catalog listings for galvanized 7x19 cable show a breaking strengthof 1000 lbs. for 3/32" and 2000 lbs. for 1/8".> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 984#435984> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,I hate to admit it, but I bet you will be right!Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On Dec 20, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:> > > Looking good, Ray! If my experience is any indication, you should have it> flying in about a year from now.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Glen;I have a few pictures of the Ariel project that I bought out of Santa Fe a fewyears ago, and although they don't show much more than a mock-up of the fuselage,gear, and wings, perhaps it might be useful to you to see pictures as youget into your build. I might also have a picture of the ENMA Tigre powered Arielthat was under construction in Missouri awhile back.Also, I still have the beautiful set of welded-leg, split-axle spoked-wheel landinggear that was built for it. As near as I can tell, it is exactly the sameas the standard Air Camper gear, same fuselage width, same mounting bracketsand bungee shock struts. I would be happy to lend the gear to you for trialfitting, getting dimensions off of, and (perhaps best of all), getting your fuselageup off the building table and able to roll around. The fuselage buildshould go quickly for you. I also have an unairworthy Scott 2000 tailwheel thatcan go on the back of it to permit you to move it around the hangar or workshop,and you're welcome to that as well. Let me know where on the coast you'relocated. I get up to Salem once a month if that's any help.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout

Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Thanks, Jake. The photos are really helping. I made some cable guides for the aileronidler cable just like the ones in your photo. They are streamlined andshould work great. I'm really concerned about the "drag factor"!Maybe we will be flying about the same time. Based on the chit-chat, there mightbe an entire Air Force of Piets taking to the air around the same time.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:27 PM, aerocarjake wrote:> > > Ray, looks beautiful, really beautiful...!> > --------> Jake Schultz - curator,> Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 995#435995> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: making progress on Sky Scout