Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
There are no engineering drawings for them although I started drawing them in wireframein AutoCAD in hopes of having some molds made so I could have them extrudedin Zytel. Too much trouble and cost, too low a demand for them.Here's a picture with a ruler on it for scale. I could take some dimensions ifyou were serious about wanting to make something accurate.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hing ... __________

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Zytel ..... really?WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
To the forum-Here is my very short list of words that have helped to diminish the value of thisforum, in my not-so humble opinion-1. "Curmudgeon". That inside joke got way out of hand to the point many peoplegot tired of seeing it used and it took away from the real discussion of building.If you want to call someone a "curmudgeon", describe their ways as "curmudgeonly",etc. etc, then call them or email them off line. That inside joke becamenot very funny for many of us. Along the same line, sarcasm doesn't travelwell on the information highway, so I think it didn't work well here either.2. "Archives". That word has been over used when someone asked a question and theONLY answers were comments using that word, such as "it's in the archives"or "search the archives". No other help was given. To me that is like answeringa question with the phrase "Google it". I know that you builders and flyershave been here a long time and you have seen the same question over and over,but isn't that true in life? If you love sports, woodworking, computers, or anyother of a hundred different hobbies, don't you get asked the same questionsover and over by new hobbyists? If you want to kill whatever pastime you love,just keep answering " it's on the Internet. Go find it," and then ask your selfwhy new people don't get into your hobby of choice. Pay it back by answeringthe question.3. "Safety" and "risk management". What! Safety and risk management are words thathurt the forum? No, not really. What hurt the forum were, when those wordswere used with good arguments and logic behind them, the attitudes exhibitedby some forum members. Some people got upset and argued about Bernard Pietenpol'svision of those words, or they argued how "they felt comfortable with theirchoices" after multiple experienced builders told them their choice was unsafe.We had one recent situation where a builder was called out by name for a known,bad choice they had made in their engine build, and all hell broke loose.It became a " I don't like your attitude, William Wynne, because you were sobold as to use a person's name and criticize them." And the discussion went offall personal at that point. And heated. So I guess the better answer is thosewords did not hurt the forum. But they brought out attitudes that did.So how do we fix things?1. Leave sarcasm and inside jokes off the forum or at least keep it to a minimum.Inside jokes are exclusive, not inclusive. New builders feel excluded whenthere is a constant flow of that stuff. Like salt in your diet, use it sparingly.2. If you can take two minutes or even five or ten to answer a question, just payit back and answer the question. think about how you appreciated it when someonehelped you with your project. Maybe back then you called them on the phoneor sat at a picnic table at Brodhead and talked. This is no different.3. When safety and risk management are discussed, STOP! Think about how it appliesto you, and don't get involved in shooting the messenger. The life you savemay be your own. Or that of a Young Eagle you are flying.Sorry for the long discussion. I think this forum or another one like it on a differentplatform (I agree with Tools on that point) has the ability to be a realhelp to builders and a real community for flyers and enthusiasts. I am cautiouslyoptimistic having seen a few posts over the past couple of days that hasturned some discussion back on. So, thanks, Douwe, for talking about the elephantin the room.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 11:40:41 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front harness attach point

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Marcus,it looks good. It will certainly help the passenger. Good job. I also made mineeasy to take out but have never removed them. I like the fact that they helpto hold all my camping gear in too. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminumhinges?

Original Posted By: "aearmstrong"
Yes, Zytel. Dimensionally stable, tough, durable, self-lubricating, and can beinjection molded to nearly complete state without all of the finishing operationsthat the cast aluminum ones require. Zytel is what I use for the wing ribattach clips that I also sell. I bought the rights and molds from Ed Fishersome years ago, and the clips are used on all of Ed's designs. Some photos here:http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminumhinges?

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Thank you. By chance could you take one from above while on the graph paper andruler as well?I don't know about Zytel, but a Taulman 3d is doing nylon filaments, though I suspectthe current blends are too flexible for hinges.--------Andrew ArmstrongRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By:> "tools"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)Please do expound upon this. It seems that you are saying the BPA is deadbecause:1. You gave more rides than should be possible.2. Chapter 431 and "the leadership of piets" (which is whom?) arecompletely disconnected.How are those items related, and what do you mean by #2?-Ryan________________________________ Message 23> ____________________________________>>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
What should tension be for wing drag and anti drag wires ?Sent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:34:17 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: front harness attach point

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
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Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol postingI read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012). My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.This photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System and Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, Peter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of information). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John Hoffman (good info in the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead - far from it! Don Youngblood ____________________________________________________________What's your flood risk?Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area.http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL313 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Thanks for the cogent comments, Terry; methinks we all need to adbide by decencyin such a forum, and the items you list, while excellent, are not complete.Expounding...1. Newbies don't know the perfect way to search the Archives - and any given searchof the Archives more often than not comes up short, or WAAAAAAY too long;there just doesn't appear to be a great way to search, and I think Tools intentwas to this point. In my own experience on searching, it has been very frustrating...2. Broken, or Split threads. Even on this, the current topic, there are brokenor split threads. This is where someone - NOT calling anyone out here - hitsthe NEW TOPIC button at the bottom of the page, rather than POST REPLY. Theresult complicates matters, as the main consequence is that when read, the NEWTOPIC doesn't make sense, and the reader needs to go back thru several otherposts to figure out what this new thread applies to and/or means.3. Inside info, Snarkiness, Smart assy comments, belong elsewhere. For Cryinout loud: We're Pilots, Builders, and generally good guys. Leave the BS to someother forum. As the resident Safety Officer, this doesn't apply to the manycomments made by William Wynne...Just my $.02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: Jack
I'm just going to keep building, keep posting, keep learning, and keep helpingas much as I can..... Thank you to all of the amazing people I have met - and not yet met - because ofthis forum, this late 20s airplane, and "not quite as old as that" amazing people....!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: Jack
Good thoughts Tom, Terry and others. One more comment if I may. Pictures areworth many words. I do like to see some detail but without being reduced I usuallywon't open a 4+ meg photo, it's takes too long with the crappy Century Linkservice I have. There are many free sizing programs out there, I use Photosizer,it works well. Thank you! BTW the Packers suck.Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 18, 2015, at 4:27 PM, "tkreiner" wrote:> > > Thanks for the cogent comments, Terry; methinks we all need to adbide by decencyin such a forum, and the items you list, while excellent, are not complete.> > Expounding...> > 1. Newbies don't know the perfect way to search the Archives - and any givensearch of the Archives more often than not comes up short, or WAAAAAAY too long;there just doesn't appear to be a great way to search, and I think Toolsintent was to this point. In my own experience on searching, it has been veryfrustrating...> > 2. Broken, or Split threads. Even on this, the current topic, there are brokenor split threads. This is where someone - NOT calling anyone out here - hitsthe NEW TOPIC button at the bottom of the page, rather than POST REPLY. Theresult complicates matters, as the main consequence is that when read, theNEW TOPIC doesn't make sense, and the reader needs to go back thru several otherposts to figure out what this new thread applies to and/or means.> > 3. Inside info, Snarkiness, Smart assy comments, belong elsewhere. For Cryinout loud: We're Pilots, Builders, and generally good guys. Leave the BS tosome other forum. As the resident Safety Officer, this doesn't apply to themany comments made by William Wynne...> > Just my $.02> > --------> Tom Kreiner> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 214#437214> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminumhinges?

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Thank you, I am just getting started and this is helpful. My favorite phrase fromthe manual is "The drawings on both the rudder and vertical fin are so clearthat words are superfluous" --------Andrew ArmstrongRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminumhinges?

Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Jack;All of Ed Fisher's designs use wing ribs that have tubular aluminum spars at the leading and trailing edges, with various arrangements of bent aluminum shapes to form the rest of the pieces. They are strong and light. The key elements to them are the "widgets", as Ed calls them. These are the molded nylon66 wing rib attach fittings that I now sell. You can get the idea if you look at the first photo on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/Longster/longsterUL.htmlSome years ago, Ed made up a prototype wing rib for the Pietenpol using the widgetsand assembling the rib after his traditional style. He presented the ribto Doc Mosher and a brief writeup on the rib appeared in a past issue of theBPA Newsletter. I borrowed the rib from Doc and I have it in my hangar to useas a go-by. Since then, I have made various parts and pieces of a cleaner prototyperib for the Piet that also incorporates the gap-sealing hingeless aileronmethod employed by Zenith on all of their ailerons, as well as an all-aluminumaileron. My hybrid Piet rib and aileron would save the builder time andeffort, and perhaps weight, since aluminum ribs would also permit the use of fabricclips to secure the fabric to the ribs in place of rib stitching. It'sall still in parts and in my head though and the one remaining part that I havebeen unable to work out is bending an aluminum angle into the shape requiredfor the wing undercamber. Metal stretchers exist and that might be the way todo it, but I've never worked with them so I'm still stumped on how to bend metalin a way that stretches it. Ed's prototype wing used a flat bottom airfoilsimilar to the USA35B that is used on the Cub and others, so he didn't haveany problem with his. Since I lean more towards maintaining the traditionalFC-10 airfoil shape, I'm determined to keep the wing under camber.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By:
The best way of tuning the wires is to simply tighten them all and listen to the tone of the wires. They should make a FWANG sound. Get them all to do that and they will be fine.Dick N.----- Original Message -----

Original Posted By: Jack
Oscar,Creating an undercamber from a piece of aluminum angle is very easy with a $69.00set of stretcher/Shrinkers from Harbor Freight. I used them in building mycowl and a metal covering for my center section. They're actually fun to use.When I get a chance, I will send a photo.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:03 PM, taildrags wrote:> > > Jack;> > All of Ed Fisher's designs use wing ribs that have tubular aluminum spars at the leading and trailing edges, with various arrangements of bent aluminum shapes to form the rest of the pieces. They are strong and light. The key elements to them are the "widgets", as Ed calls them. These are the molded nylon66 wing rib attach fittings that I now sell. You can get the idea if you look at the first photo on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/Longster/longsterUL.html> > Some years ago, Ed made up a prototype wing rib for the Pietenpol using the widgetsand assembling the rib after his traditional style. He presented the ribto Doc Mosher and a brief writeup on the rib appeared in a past issue of theBPA Newsletter. I borrowed the rib from Doc and I have it in my hangar to useas a go-by. Since then, I have made various parts and pieces of a cleanerprototype rib for the Piet that also incorporates the gap-sealing hingeless aileronmethod employed by Zenith on all of their ailerons, as well as an all-aluminumaileron. My hybrid Piet rib and aileron would save the builder time andeffort, and perhaps weight, since aluminum ribs would also permit the use offabric clips to secure the fabric to the ribs in place of rib stitching. It'sall still in parts and in my head though and the one remaining part that I havebeen unable to work out is bending an aluminum angle into the shape requiredfor the wing undercamber. Metal stretchers exist a!> nd that might be the way to do it, but I've never worked with them so I'm stillstumped on how to bend metal in a way that stretches it. Ed's prototype wingused a flat bottom airfoil similar to the USA35B that is used on the Cub andothers, so he didn't have any problem with his. Since I lean more towards maintainingthe traditional FC-10 airfoil shape, I'm determined to keep the wingunder camber.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 224#437224> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engineering drawing / measurements of the aluminumhinges?

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Oscar once again my friend you amaze me! Thanks!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Jack;> > All of Ed Fisher's designs use wing ribs that have tubular aluminum spars at the leading and trailing edges, with various arrangements of bent aluminum shapes to form the rest of the pieces. They are strong and light. The key elements to them are the "widgets", as Ed calls them. These are the molded nylon66 wing rib attach fittings that I now sell. You can get the idea if you look at the first photo on this page: http://www.flysquirrel.net/Longster/longsterUL.html> > Some years ago, Ed made up a prototype wing rib for the Pietenpol using the widgetsand assembling the rib after his traditional style. He presented the ribto Doc Mosher and a brief writeup on the rib appeared in a past issue of theBPA Newsletter. I borrowed the rib from Doc and I have it in my hangar to useas a go-by. Since then, I have made various parts and pieces of a cleanerprototype rib for the Piet that also incorporates the gap-sealing hingeless aileronmethod employed by Zenith on all of their ailerons, as well as an all-aluminumaileron. My hybrid Piet rib and aileron would save the builder time andeffort, and perhaps weight, since aluminum ribs would also permit the use offabric clips to secure the fabric to the ribs in place of rib stitching. It'sall still in parts and in my head though and the one remaining part that I havebeen unable to work out is bending an aluminum angle into the shape requiredfor the wing undercamber. Metal stretchers exist a!> nd that might be the way to do it, but I've never worked with them so I'm stillstumped on how to bend metal in a way that stretches it. Ed's prototype wingused a flat bottom airfoil similar to the USA35B that is used on the Cub andothers, so he didn't have any problem with his. Since I lean more towards maintainingthe traditional FC-10 airfoil shape, I'm determined to keep the wingunder camber.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 224#437224> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)

Original Posted By: "aviken"
Ryan,Here is my take on a couple of your questions. I know that you did not ask formy opinion. You asked for Mikes, but I am happy to share mine without specificallybeing asked to. It must be the Marine in me-1. Is this list dead... Yes. Has been for years. It's the most antiquated forumsoftware still active.Why do I get email versions of this forum that includes postings that I NEVER seeonline? Tell me that I am doing something wrong in my settings, and I willbe glad to fix it. But it should not be that hard. Posting pictures is not easy.The text goes off the page to where I am moving my screen like a typewriterto read it. Again, it should not be this hard. The knowledge available here throughthe online forum as well as the archives is great. The execution of theplatform is abysmal.2. Is the bpa dead. Yes. I gave more rides to guys building piets last year atbrodhead than should be possible.Knowing Tools the way that I do, I am guessing the reason he wrote that he flewhis tail off was because 1) he was enjoying it, and 2) there were far more peopleinterested in a ride than there were pilots willing to get involved in anythingother than laughin and scratchin with their Buds. If the BPA is not dead, it certainly sounds like it was comatose that weekend.Brodhead should be a combination of friends seeing old friends (of course), butalso making new friends and fostering NEW interest in the Pietenpol. To me,it sounds like BPA fell far short in promoting that. if you want this forum andthe BPA to continue, then BPA must be more active in its inclusiveness of newpeople. 3. The guys who host Brodhead and the leadership of "piets" is completely disconnected.Paper based newsletters are a thing of the past.Do you really want me to expound on this, Ryan? Tell me this then - who took overBPA and its funds and publications when Dee and Doc Mosher stepped down? ifthere is an association that wants to meet once a year, then there needs to bebetter planning. If it is just going to be a bunch of people meeting up on aFriday and Saturday once per year, and a newsletter that I cant get acknowledgementof an address change that I have sent twice, then why am I paying duesto an association?I do like John Hofmanns ideas of races and social media. I just want to see theseideas as well as other promises carried out.I am sure some members will not be happy with my response, but you asked. And ifyou did not want my response, and only Tools', you should have taken it offline and emailed him directly or PMed him.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)

Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
May I give the perspective of a Newbie.. I started building last November, I haveworked as much as possible and I am beginning to see the finish line. This list is important to me, I check it at least twice daily. Yes I am oftendisappointed that there is little activity , I would love to see new posts everyday,but I don't post here often either. ( The reason?) It is difficultto do for me and my limited computer skills to post pictures or links to videoand I learned early not to ask stupid questions. I made my first trip to Brodhead this Summer even though I was recoveringfrom a heart attack and stint placement only 9 days before. I was amazed andnot disappointed. Being a naturally shy person I suppose I never had that(I wana ride look ) But I did see many rides being given. I would hate to think that just as I join something it is about to crumble, I have had that happen before , all that the people could talk about is theheyday that took place just before I came on scene. So what's my point? I really don't know, See ya'll at Brodhead.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 07:06:44 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol posting

Original Posted By: "planes&bikes"
Thanks for the pic Don, nice looking ship! Close to you in progress, although I have not tried to tie all the parts together, maybe this summer.Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 18, 2015, at 4:16 PM, "yb21701(at)juno.com" wrote:> > I read the site daily and have been helped all along the way (since 2012). My only prior input was a photo of construction progress about a year ago.This photo shows that I'm about ready for fabric - using Stewart System and Latex. I'll post information and photos of modifications I have incorporated, but ONLY AFTER they are proven in flight. Many thanks to Oscar Zuniga, Peter Johnson, and other particularly helpful contributors, and to Matt Dralle's site administration, including the FAQ & Archives (gold mine of information). Also thanks to BPA's Doc & Dee Mosher and John Hoffman (good info in the Newsletter). In my opinion, the Matronics Pietenpol site is not dead - far from it! Don Youngblood > > > ____________________________________________________________> What's your flood risk?> Find flood maps, interactive tools, FAQs, and agents in your area.> floodsmart.gov> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol posting

Original Posted By: "tools"
Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I used CESSNAaxles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jury struts,WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop, mosteverything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.--------Planes&BikesRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/6476 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)

Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I'm not chicken little and the sky is not falling. The Piet will always be oneof the best planes to build, and largely because of the type of folks who likeit. However, the bpa, itself, is probably not gonna be a big factor.This bulletin board is simply miserable. I think many of the problems are simplysoftware related. Someone will step up with a decent vehicle eventually.Brodhead, corvair colleges, and get togethers coupled with archival websites arestill fantastic.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Ken,Smile, son. Never disconcert the masses.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:58:46 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying? (tools)

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer

Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
The original question is, is this list dying? I contend that it is.If I'm wrong, disregard, all is well.Consider that the previous ten technical questions have elicited one or two pertinentresponses each... About normal. Over about a week or two. This threadgenerated over forty responses in two days....I really don't think I'm the only one who thinks it really is about done.It's not membership based, merely an internet address. A better bulletin boardprogram would only require folks to go to that address rather than this one.It's not a big deal.I've seen several very successful groups go from email lists, to a yahoo group,to early stand alone bulletin board software, to later better software, witha loss of NO archival information or membership base.Good software enhances discussion by making searching, reading, organizing userfriendly. This software is so bad there's no way to determine if it's the participants orthe programming itself that causes poor participation. I suspect it's bad enoughto certainly be a big factor in why it's going downhill. It clearly hascaused problems because not everyone sees all responses. You simply can't communicatewith that problem alone. The typewriter effect simply causes many tonot even WANT to read all responses. Good software would also promote effective moderation which IS critical. I emailedMatt dralle directly about that shortfall and never even got a response.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:02:45 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
Thanks for the photos. Beautiful, works of art!Please be sure to include your name so we know who you are.Thanks,Ray KrauseBuilding Sky Scout...slowlySent from my iPad> On Jan 19, 2015, at 5:21 AM, planes&bikes wrote:> > > Thanks for comments on the photo, taken at Pickens County Airport, SC; I usedCESSNA axles, wheels & brakes, modified MATCO tailwheel, CARLSON lift & jurystruts, WICKS steel cabanes. DON'S DREAM MACHINES Cont.A-75 w/SENSENICH prop,most everything else from AIRCRAFT SPRUCE.> > --------> Planes&Bikes> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 244#437244> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760018_188.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/64760040_179.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
=9CIt=99s gonna be a monoplane=9DJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia

Original Posted By:-----Original Message-----=0A aviken =0ATo:
Kenny, are you planning on Brodhead this year, whether or not you are finished with your Piet?=0A=0A=0AMatt Paxton=0A=0A=0A=0A

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
"WHAT" "You're building me an airplane with just one wing"Dave A.Santa Maria, Ca. -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
=9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then, I=99m a superb pilot!=9D

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?its an inferior model but it will suit my purposeIn a message dated 1/19/2015 4:36:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gboothe5(at)comcast.net writes:=9Ceven I could do an outside loopbut, then, I=99m a superb pilot!=9D

Original Posted By: Bruce Kirk