Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "pjb"
I agree with jeff. From what I can gather talking to Dick and dicks friends thatwas his opinion as well. That being said, it is priced accordingly...Also on barnstormers is dicks volmer and scout projects, I think also priced appropriately.ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "pjb"
Hello Everyone,Here are a couple of photo's of my Piet.It's almost ready for final inspection Cheers,PatriciaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Gerrit-Jan Kaal
Definitely worth the price for one of the most recognizable Piets out there...might we a little out of my league as far wrenching on a unique motor goes though.Thanks for the feedback.MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 18:42:05 +0200Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
OldBird,Looking nice, but I do not see the inner gussets - these need to be in place beforeadding your cross members.Bob--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Patricia,You share the same name as my wife. It looks very nice. It appears to be a one piece wing. Who made the prop? I likethe shape of it. What size Cont. engine are you using? Yes, we all liketo know the details. Good luck with the inspection,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:52:43 -0500

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Yocum,Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the wings. Theparagraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred and directlybelow the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are other publicationsthat have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that the POLY FIBER manualindicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has done. What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the differentprocesses available) is what should apply to surfaces that are being coveredwith that system. "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfacesand fuselage, where so incorporated by the originalaircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, amaximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shownin figure 2-12 for the slipstream area on the wings maybe used". You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph and pictures.I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper direction.Respectfully,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I had brought that question up with Dan, in a private email, as thatdistinction had eluded me. I will say, though, and I'm not sure if anyoneelse has noticed, but I have felt my rudder vibrate over 90 mph.unfortunately, my poor old neck won't let me turn that far to see what'sgoing on. At this point, I'm glad to have the closer spacing.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
My tail shakes at 90 mph, but not my rudder...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Really nice..... gotta love red airplanes!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ah! You are right! That really would have been a wet towel to have to tear down the rudder to re-stitch.Probably would have added a couple grand to the total cost of the plane...-- yocum137(at)gmail.com> On Aug 20, 2015, at 4:25 PM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > > Yocum,> > Her Spacing is fine. The slip stream they are referring to is for the wings.The paragraph I placed here is directly from the page you referred and directlybelow the graph. It is noted for the EMPENNAGE. There are other publicationsthat have the spacing as well. I used the spacing that the POLY FIBER manualindicated and it very much reflects what Patricia has done. > > What ever is written in the covering system manual (this can vary from the differentprocesses available) is what should apply to surfaces that are being coveredwith that system. > > "When the lace spacing on the empennage surfaces> and fuselage, where so incorporated by the original> aircraft manufacturer, cannot be determined, a> maximum spacing equal to two times the spacing shown> in figure 2-12 for the slipstream area on the wings may> be used". > > You need to read the complete description and not just look at the graph andpictures. > > I am not trying to cause friction but only trying to point you the proper direction.> > Respectfully,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 211#446211> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gary,The camera! It's better than your old neck!Thanks for the directives on stitching. I'm working alone so far and it's goingOK.RaySent from my iPad> On Aug 20, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > > I had brought that question up with Dan, in a private email, as that> distinction had eluded me. I will say, though, and I'm not sure if anyone> else has noticed, but I have felt my rudder vibrate over 90 mph.> unfortunately, my poor old neck won't let me turn that far to see what's> going on. At this point, I'm glad to have the closer spacing.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: "pjb"
More work on the fuselage.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "aviken"
Patricia,Very nice work. The cowling looks like it really belongs on this type plane. Bernard would have been pleased. The A-75 should be a great fit for the plane. Is the motor mount the standard length, or a little longer?The prop is absolutely beautiful. Maybe someday I will either get one of those same, or carve one. The nose piece was a lot of work, but very nice. I hope I can see your plane someday.Here is a photo of my cowl for my A-65 on the SkyScout. The spinner is optional and came with the engine and prop. The nose piece is a 12" aluminum frypan!Let us know about the first flight!Ray KrauseColusa, CASent from my iPad> On Aug 22, 2015, at 11:03 AM, pjb wrote:> > > Hi Ray,> > The prop is a Cloudcars prop. Engine is a Continental A75> > > The main cowling is sheet metal .> The nose piece is fibreglass/epoxy laid up over a wooden mold > - so far, several people in this area have used that same mold !> > Here are some photo's taken during construction.> -making the template for the sheet metalwork.> -making the cowling and fitting the nosepiece.> -cutting out the openings and finishing work on the nose piece> Cheers,> Patricia> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 277#446277> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_img_1978_174.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1019_201.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1035c_168.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "pjb"
Hi Scott,Thanks for the welcome back, I appreciate it.Yes, the Japanese version of 'busy' is rather different to the average Australian's (that's me) version of 'busy'.I'm going to have to make some time to get on with it before I get too much older, haha, I still want to have time to enjoy flying it once it is done!I had a look at your Piet on the web, nice looking aircraft. Just wondering what are the wheels you have on it? They look fairly solid.Thanks again,CheersMarkJapanRibs, Fin/Rudder, Pile of sticks ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I believe that the comment made about spacing was done in good conscience. Iwould hope that anyone who sees a flaw, or thinks they see a flaw, in myPiet would have the decency to speak up. Interesting to note that the olderversion of 41.13 does not have the paragraph noting spacing on theempennage. My version is dated 1976, old yes, but, in this case, morerestrictive. That's not a bad thing.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: Scott Knowlton
I've looked at the photo showing the engine mount on Patricia's plane and at first I thought it was definitely longer than the one on 41CC, but now I'm not so sure. There's a picture of my setup that's taken at almost the same angle and distance, here- http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a65004.jpgHard to tell, but it looks like the oil tank is the same distance from the firewallon mine as it is on hers, and same thing for the distance from firewall toprop hub. The picture was when I had the A65 with tapered shaft hub on it,essentially the same setup as Patricia's airplane.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Not to step in to the middle of a thread but I visited the hangar that the aircraft in question was being covered at. I was at the point of designing my engine mount at the time so I diligently took a measurement of hers since I liked the proportions. 16"Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:22 PM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > I've looked at the photo showing the engine mount on Patricia's plane and at first I thought it was definitely longer than the one on 41CC, but now I'm not so sure. There's a picture of my setup that's taken at almost the same angle and distance, here- http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/a65004.jpg> > Hard to tell, but it looks like the oil tank is the same distance from the firewall on mine as it is on hers, and same thing for the distance from firewall to prop hub. The picture was when I had the A65 with tapered shaft hub on it, essentially the same setup as Patricia's airplane.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 297#446297> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 taper shaftI have a buddy who has several A65 engines, All at TBO, all been settingfor years. He says most people don't like them because they are taper shaftand most props won't fit. .IS there a parts or prop supply problem for Taper shafts?What is the difference?-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Scott:Ah-! Now you're talking! I have all the W&B info and measurements that I tookof my engine mount and everything else, and I'll check it out but I recall thatit is pretty close to stock. For now, I can tell you by looking at the rollof plans right next to me that the Pietenpol family plans for the Continentalmount (at the top) call for 11-3/16" from face of engine mount spool to thecenter of the bolt that attaches the engine mount to the mount fitting at thefirewall, and 10-5/8" at the bottom, for a bit of downthrust. Less than 12" fromrear of engine to firewall, I'd say, so Patricia's is a good bit extendedfrom stock. This can help with tail-heavy.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A65 taper shaft

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Yup, roughly 12" is called out for in the plans. Several flying examples in my area went to 16" with good results. Doing the W&B is kind of a chicken and egg thing when building. I try my best to follow the practices of successfully flying aircraft. My jig is currently set to 16" but I haven't fabricated the mount yet. I'm also using a C-85 (slightly heavier) and am contemplating a simple light weight starter/generator so I still have more weight that can be added to the fwd CG end. Battery could go anywhere in the end..... It's all about keeping the tail light and your options open.... But since I still have a skeleton of an airplane I guess it is best no one follow in my footsteps! Scott KBurlington. Ontario Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 24, 2015, at 12:25 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Scott:> > Ah-! Now you're talking! I have all the W&B info and measurements that I took of my engine mount and everything else, and I'll check it out but I recall that it is pretty close to stock. For now, I can tell you by looking at the roll of plans right next to me that the Pietenpol family plans for the Continental mount (at the top) call for 11-3/16" from face of engine mount spool to the center of the bolt that attaches the engine mount to the mount fitting at the firewall, and 10-5/8" at the bottom, for a bit of downthrust. Less than 12" from rear of engine to firewall, I'd say, so Patricia's is a good bit extended from stock. This can help with tail-heavy.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 320#446320> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Noise from Japan

Original Posted By: "pjb"
Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavyinstead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with220 LB pilot, 150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage...this is excellent and well within allowable range.However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nose tank, the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,allowable CG of 15"So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flyingsolo with no passenger !According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tankin the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being doneright now !!Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?Cheers,Patricia.....................Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavyinstead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with220 LB pilot, 150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage...this is excellent and well within allowable range.However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nose tank, the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,allowable CG of 15"So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flyingsolo with no passenger !According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tankin the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being doneright now !!Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?Cheers,Patricia.....................Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Noise from Japan

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Mark,My wheels are from the early 1920's. They were made by Hayes Company for airplanes.There were three different sizes available. I believe mine are the smallestof the three. There are three rows of spokes on the rim side. The outsiderows are for side-loads. The spokes are all parallel and do not cross eachother. Therefore there are no brakes. The hub would just come out if torsionalloads were applied during any braking action applied to the hubs. Planeshad tail skids back then. I have found that by keeping my tires at a very lowair pressure, the planes stops in a reasonable distance. If I have too muchair then the darn thing just keeps rolling and rolling. Yes they hold up very well. I do not baby them. I spend a lot of time flyingoff the desert where there are no runways. Maybe more than you wanted to know? Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Hello good Piet-ple,A quick post to share the initial welding of my fuel tank. It is wider than plansso I only need the single fuel tank in the center-section. As usual, Mike from Ready Weld makes the welding look easy. Next step is to fabricate the top skin, fit the filler necks, weld on the sumps/fittings,and then finish welding the tank.Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/weld ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol

Original Posted By: Mike Salerno
It wouldn't take much weight in the tail (of the airplane of course) to bring you in range...Yours is a pretty unique situation!BenOn 8/24/2015 10:46 AM, pjb wrote:>> Yes, that's true but make sure that it doesn't end up being nose heavy> instead...or nose heavv or tail heavy under some loading conditions.> For example, my piet CG is 18.4" aft of datum [LE] when loaded to the max with220 LB pilot,> 150 LB passenger, full fuel in nose tank 12gal, 10 LB baggage> ...this is excellent and well within allowable range.> However, when loaded with just me, 110 LB, no passenger and full fuel in nosetank,> the CG is 13.9" aft of datum which is well forward of the most forward,> allowable CG of 15"> So, something will have to be done to rectify this - since I will mostly be flyingsolo with no passenger !> According to the calculations, removing the nose tank and putting a tank> in the wing will bring the CG into allowable range. This is being done> right now !!> Anyone want to buy a Cub nose tank ?>> Cheers,> Patricia>> .....................>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 446342>>-- Ben Charvet, PharmDStaff PharmacistParrish Medical center________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 18:48:00 -0700

Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Hi Pieters,I was finally able to get away for a full weekend of flying. I flew to San Diego'sGillespie Field on Friday evening after work. It is about 170 sm from Mybase Fox Field. I had a heavy tailwind all the way down there and made the tripin a blazing 1 hour and 55 minutes. I'm sure that will never happen again.The purpose of this trip was to hang out with dad and do some flying with him.He is 84 and still flies at least once a week. Saturday morning we hopped inour Piets and flew down to Brown Field next to the Mexican border to hang withall the EAA chapter 14 guys and gals and do some hangar flying. We had a greattime while we were there. After lunch jumped back in the planes and loiteredaround San Diego county for awhile before landing back at Gillespie field.My sister brought my Nephew over to dads hangar for a visit. My Nephew is currentlytaking flying lessons and now has about 7 hours time. I let him sit inmy planes pilots seat where he was just completely amazed at the total lack ofanything in the cockpit. He is flying Cherokees. Then he saw dads KR2 and wantedto try that on for size. He managed to get in but was folded up like apretzel. He wanted to see me in the KR2 and asked me to climb into it. I havenever tried before to get in it so I tried. Lets just say I don't fit and couldn'teven get into it. Sunday I left to fly home and had a tailwind again. Lucky me. 2 hours 10 minutesto get home. In all, I got almost 6 hours flying in over the weekend and asun burnt neck and nose. The sunburn was well worth it.Dad and I flew both these planes back to Brodhead back in 1996, We were gone for16 days, flew 9 of those days and put 70 hours on them for that trip. I surewish we could do that again, but it is not in the cards. Maybe another time,perhaps with my nephew and perhaps he could fly dads plane there along sideme. Keep building y'all. These planes make for wonderful memories. I'll try to add pics now.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2015 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol