Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Well guys, (and gals)I did it. I purchased my next airplane. I enjoyed the piet so much that I have to have another project. This one is an old Stinson 10A. It is a basket case, but not damaged. It has spent the last six years in storage and needs to be rebuilt. It came with a new prop for the Franklin 90hp. I'll be posting pics on my web site shortly. I hope to be able to restore it completely and re-engine it with more horsepower. It is a certified airplane however, which I'm sure will change the way I can do things, but I am interested in getting my A&P too and I have found that the time spent rebuilding this plane can count toward my hour requirement. At some point I may be offering the Franklin for sale, unless it replaces my A-65.. It would be a great match methinks as it is heavier and more powerful than the continental.I also am putting together some info on my laytex experience, and a local subaru powered piet.Stay tuned.Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: and for my next project...
Pietenpol-List: Re: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: Jim Skinner
> Hi Stevee: Congrats on the new project. Years ago, when I was learning to fly atFlabob in an old Piper Vagabond, a friend had a Stinson 10A. This was onebeautiful performing airplane. It does everything that a Cessna 150 doesonly faster, shorter runway, and at least as good a load and range. I wouldbe very much interested in any of your information on either / or both of thepaint and subaru subjects. I am going to be using a subaru and am presentlycollecting more information than I have been able to understand at thispoint. Just trying to see what works best from all the many choices.Warren________________________________________________________________________________
> Hi Stevee: Congrats on the new project. Years ago, when I was learning to fly atFlabob in an old Piper Vagabond, a friend had a Stinson 10A. This was onebeautiful performing airplane. It does everything that a Cessna 150 doesonly faster, shorter runway, and at least as good a load and range. I wouldbe very much interested in any of your information on either / or both of thepaint and subaru subjects. I am going to be using a subaru and am presentlycollecting more information than I have been able to understand at thispoint. Just trying to see what works best from all the many choices.Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: Bobby White
Steve,The Franklin 90 Hp engine gives really great performance in a Pietenpol.The engine runs very smoothly too. I think that is due to better balanceand other such details. The nose on mine is rather long, but that has notcaused any handling problems. Good luck,Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Steve,The Franklin 90 Hp engine gives really great performance in a Pietenpol.The engine runs very smoothly too. I think that is due to better balanceand other such details. The nose on mine is rather long, but that has notcaused any handling problems. Good luck,Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: jkahn(at)picasso.dehavilland.ca (John Kahn)
Steve, as an old f___, I really enjoyed the first sentence..."I bought aStinson 10A". Then my blood turned cold when you mentioned upping the HP. What you have is a REAL piece of history. If you look in the log books, I'dbet you'll find a COMBAT history, as many, if not most of the 10a's were usedby the Civil Air Patrol's Coastal Defense during World War II! If you canimagine this little two-place putter with a bomb slung between the gear,terrorizing, that's right, TERRORIZING Hitlers' U-Boats without a feeling ofgenuine amazement, please sell me the airplane. This piece of historydeserves to be restored in its' original glory, complete with the circle andtriangle on the fuselage. If you don't know the story, and would be interested in hearing it, I would beglad to give you references to read.Ed WoerleP.S. WWhen asked why he didn't get closer to shore and do more damage alongthe East Coast, the Commander of the U-Boat Squadron replied, "Because ofthose damned little airplanes!" CAP is credited with sinking several Germansubmarines.________________________________________________________________________________
Steve, as an old f___, I really enjoyed the first sentence..."I bought aStinson 10A". Then my blood turned cold when you mentioned upping the HP. What you have is a REAL piece of history. If you look in the log books, I'dbet you'll find a COMBAT history, as many, if not most of the 10a's were usedby the Civil Air Patrol's Coastal Defense during World War II! If you canimagine this little two-place putter with a bomb slung between the gear,terrorizing, that's right, TERRORIZING Hitlers' U-Boats without a feeling ofgenuine amazement, please sell me the airplane. This piece of historydeserves to be restored in its' original glory, complete with the circle andtriangle on the fuselage. If you don't know the story, and would be interested in hearing it, I would beglad to give you references to read.Ed WoerleP.S. WWhen asked why he didn't get closer to shore and do more damage alongthe East Coast, the Commander of the U-Boat Squadron replied, "Because ofthose damned little airplanes!" CAP is credited with sinking several Germansubmarines.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Ed,I would be glad for references to the history. I am planning on restoring the Stinson to original configuration. I don't know much about the history of this particular airframe however. I do know that it was built in 1940 sn 7710, and could very well be one of the patrol aircraft as it was based in the east. I don't have the logs before 1958 however. Not only will this be a restoration project, but a history research project as well. BTW for the rest of you wondering what a 10A looks like and what it looks like in CAP colors, check Sport Aviation's HOT LINE column in the Sept 97' issue p. 5. As for the Franklin, 90 hp for a 1600lb gross airplane just seems a little weak, and from the stories I have heard at this altitude (4500') it is marginal. I have yet to really know since there just aren't many still around. Putting an 0290 in wouldn't change the cowling either.Stevee (cant afford a new engine now anyway)On Friday, February 06, 1998 7:34 AM, Ed0248(at)aol.com [SMTP:Ed0248(at)aol.com] wrote:> Steve, as an old f___, I really enjoyed the first sentence..."I bought a> Stinson 10A". Then my blood turned cold when you mentioned upping the HP.>> What you have is a REAL piece of history. If you look in the log books, I'd> bet you'll find a COMBAT history, as many, if not most of the 10a's were used> by the Civil Air Patrol's Coastal Defense during World War II! If you can> imagine this little two-place putter with a bomb slung between the gear,> terrorizing, that's right, TERRORIZING Hitlers' U-Boats without a feeling of> genuine amazement, please sell me the airplane. This piece of history> deserves to be restored in its' original glory, complete with the circle and> triangle on the fuselage.>> If you don't know the story, and would be interested in hearing it, I would be> glad to give you references to read.>>> Ed Woerle>> P.S. WWhen asked why he didn't get closer to shore and do more damage along> the East Coast, the Commander of the U-Boat Squadron replied, "Because of> those damned little airplanes!" CAP is credited with sinking several German> submarines.________________________________________________________________________________
Ed,I would be glad for references to the history. I am planning on restoring the Stinson to original configuration. I don't know much about the history of this particular airframe however. I do know that it was built in 1940 sn 7710, and could very well be one of the patrol aircraft as it was based in the east. I don't have the logs before 1958 however. Not only will this be a restoration project, but a history research project as well. BTW for the rest of you wondering what a 10A looks like and what it looks like in CAP colors, check Sport Aviation's HOT LINE column in the Sept 97' issue p. 5. As for the Franklin, 90 hp for a 1600lb gross airplane just seems a little weak, and from the stories I have heard at this altitude (4500') it is marginal. I have yet to really know since there just aren't many still around. Putting an 0290 in wouldn't change the cowling either.Stevee (cant afford a new engine now anyway)On Friday, February 06, 1998 7:34 AM, Ed0248(at)aol.com [SMTP:Ed0248(at)aol.com] wrote:> Steve, as an old f___, I really enjoyed the first sentence..."I bought a> Stinson 10A". Then my blood turned cold when you mentioned upping the HP.>> What you have is a REAL piece of history. If you look in the log books, I'd> bet you'll find a COMBAT history, as many, if not most of the 10a's were used> by the Civil Air Patrol's Coastal Defense during World War II! If you can> imagine this little two-place putter with a bomb slung between the gear,> terrorizing, that's right, TERRORIZING Hitlers' U-Boats without a feeling of> genuine amazement, please sell me the airplane. This piece of history> deserves to be restored in its' original glory, complete with the circle and> triangle on the fuselage.>> If you don't know the story, and would be interested in hearing it, I would be> glad to give you references to read.>>> Ed Woerle>> P.S. WWhen asked why he didn't get closer to shore and do more damage along> the East Coast, the Commander of the U-Boat Squadron replied, "Because of> those damned little airplanes!" CAP is credited with sinking several German> submarines.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: "McNarry, John"
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Steve Eldredge wrote:> Ed,> > I would be glad for references to the history. I am planning on restoring > the Stinson to original configuration. I don't know much about the history > of this particular airframe however. I do know that it was built in 1940 > sn 7710, and could very well be one of the patrol aircraft as it was based > in the east. I don't have the logs before 1958 however. Not only will > this be a restoration project, but a history research project as well. BTW > for the rest of you wondering what a 10A looks like and what it looks like > in CAP colors, check Sport Aviation's HOT LINE column in the Sept 97' issue > p. 5. As for the Franklin, 90 hp for a 1600lb gross airplane just seems a > little weak, and from the stories I have heard at this altitude (4500') it > is marginal. I have yet to really know since there just aren't many still > around. Putting an 0290 in wouldn't change the cowling either.> > Stevee (cant afford a new engine now anyway)I have to agree with Ed. Keep it original if you can. A 90 hp engine will work OK on a 1600 lb plane as one of the Christavias here in Red Deer frequently flys at that weight with a C-90. Doug Hunt could probably give you some better details as he has had more first hand experience. Anyway, Red Deer is close to 3000' if I remember correctly. Besides, who cares if the allowable gross weight is 1600 lbs. As long as you keep the empty weight down and can fly at a reasonable gross of 1400 or less, you should be fine. The high gross weight may have been to accomadate the external bomb load ad large fuel supply for coastal partol. Obviously, I'm just guessing here.Ken________________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Steve Eldredge wrote:> Ed,> > I would be glad for references to the history. I am planning on restoring > the Stinson to original configuration. I don't know much about the history > of this particular airframe however. I do know that it was built in 1940 > sn 7710, and could very well be one of the patrol aircraft as it was based > in the east. I don't have the logs before 1958 however. Not only will > this be a restoration project, but a history research project as well. BTW > for the rest of you wondering what a 10A looks like and what it looks like > in CAP colors, check Sport Aviation's HOT LINE column in the Sept 97' issue > p. 5. As for the Franklin, 90 hp for a 1600lb gross airplane just seems a > little weak, and from the stories I have heard at this altitude (4500') it > is marginal. I have yet to really know since there just aren't many still > around. Putting an 0290 in wouldn't change the cowling either.> > Stevee (cant afford a new engine now anyway)I have to agree with Ed. Keep it original if you can. A 90 hp engine will work OK on a 1600 lb plane as one of the Christavias here in Red Deer frequently flys at that weight with a C-90. Doug Hunt could probably give you some better details as he has had more first hand experience. Anyway, Red Deer is close to 3000' if I remember correctly. Besides, who cares if the allowable gross weight is 1600 lbs. As long as you keep the empty weight down and can fly at a reasonable gross of 1400 or less, you should be fine. The high gross weight may have been to accomadate the external bomb load ad large fuel supply for coastal partol. Obviously, I'm just guessing here.Ken________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: and for my next project...
Original Posted By: "Sayre, William G"
Steve Eldredge wrote:> > Well guys, (and gals)> > I did it. I purchased my next airplane. I enjoyed the piet so much that I> have to have another project. This one is an old Stinson 10A. It is a> basket case, but not damaged. It has spent the last six years in storage> and needs to be rebuilt. It came with a new prop for the Franklin 90hp.Way to go, Steve!You must have one of the most loving wives in the world to let you getaway with that! Nice choice, that Stinson, it is more of a familyairplane. At your pace it should be flying again soon.Mike List________________________________________________________________________________
Steve Eldredge wrote:> > Well guys, (and gals)> > I did it. I purchased my next airplane. I enjoyed the piet so much that I> have to have another project. This one is an old Stinson 10A. It is a> basket case, but not damaged. It has spent the last six years in storage> and needs to be rebuilt. It came with a new prop for the Franklin 90hp.Way to go, Steve!You must have one of the most loving wives in the world to let you getaway with that! Nice choice, that Stinson, it is more of a familyairplane. At your pace it should be flying again soon.Mike List________________________________________________________________________________