Original Posted By:> stephen
Stephen "bendix" is a trade name,not a component. I believe what you are refering to is a starter drive/ one way clutch. I suggest saving time/money,and other resources,and find out first handthe pleasures of old fashion aviation,hand prop the bird yourself. You will likely learn more about the machine(baby) this way,and saveweight. Just my humble opinion. Champ Driver. Doug PS motors r electric!
Pietenpol-List: weedeater startermotor
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Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
Hi allIn Kitplans magazine there was a group that put together a design to startthere VW engines. Small weedeater engines which powered achain,sproket,bendix assembly to start there engines. The pull cord wasrouted to the cockpit. Could this be done to a ford model A engine? Anythoughts? I imagine the starter and bendix going where the magneto goes,andrun the magnito off to the side with a rubber tooth belt. How much oomphdoes it take to hand prop a Piet with an A engine, standard compression? Cheers, Steve Yahn________________________________________________________________________________
Hi allIn Kitplans magazine there was a group that put together a design to startthere VW engines. Small weedeater engines which powered achain,sproket,bendix assembly to start there engines. The pull cord wasrouted to the cockpit. Could this be done to a ford model A engine? Anythoughts? I imagine the starter and bendix going where the magneto goes,andrun the magnito off to the side with a rubber tooth belt. How much oomphdoes it take to hand prop a Piet with an A engine, standard compression? Cheers, Steve Yahn________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Seibert
> Just my humble opinion. Champ Driver.> Doug> PS motors r electric!But Doug, don't you think it's fun to call an engine a motor? I do. Ilearned in school (music) that until you learn the rules you could not breakthem, but when you did you could. So, for those who didn't know: motors areelectric. Now that you all know, go ahead and call 'em (engines) motors.Now, don't you feel like a smarty? Knowing, yet not conforming?:)Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
> Just my humble opinion. Champ Driver.> Doug> PS motors r electric!But Doug, don't you think it's fun to call an engine a motor? I do. Ilearned in school (music) that until you learn the rules you could not breakthem, but when you did you could. So, for those who didn't know: motors areelectric. Now that you all know, go ahead and call 'em (engines) motors.Now, don't you feel like a smarty? Knowing, yet not conforming?:)Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: "Woodbridge, Gary"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor>Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".>>Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, who>really cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't mettoo>many people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than go>flying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boator>is it a ship?>>Ed W>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor>Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".>>Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, who>really cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't mettoo>many people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than go>flying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boator>is it a ship?>>Ed W>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, whoreally cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't met toomany people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than goflying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boat oris it a ship? Ed W________________________________________________________________________________
Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, whoreally cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't met toomany people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than goflying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boat oris it a ship? Ed W________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Ed0248
Come to think of it..Ed is definitly right...I've heard that some builders are trying to use BMW "Enginecycle" enginesin their Piets. And those outboard engines are a must for all those "EngineBoats" out there.I second the motion that flying is better than word semantics any day!Jim Wrightjgw(at)skynet.be-----Original Message-----
Come to think of it..Ed is definitly right...I've heard that some builders are trying to use BMW "Enginecycle" enginesin their Piets. And those outboard engines are a must for all those "EngineBoats" out there.I second the motion that flying is better than word semantics any day!Jim Wrightjgw(at)skynet.be-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: allaire
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>fuel. Motors use external power sources.Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnetagency that oversees our language.And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>fuel. Motors use external power sources.Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnetagency that oversees our language.And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: "McNarry, John"
What about the Ford Tri-Engine ;-}Gary WoodbridgeSenior Systems Engineer - UMI / OKC(405)601-6947Maule M7-235B - N723Mgwoodbridge(at)datatimes.com>---------->From: Jim Wright[SMTP:jgw(at)skynet.be]>Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:18 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>Come to think of it..Ed is definitly right...>>I've heard that some builders are trying to use BMW "Enginecycle" engines>in their Piets. And those outboard engines are a must for all those "Engine>Boats" out there.>>I second the motion that flying is better than word semantics any day!>>Jim Wright>jgw(at)skynet.be>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed0248 >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 8:46 PM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".>>>>Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, who>>really cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't met>too>>many people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than go>>flying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boat>or>>is it a ship?>>>>Ed W>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
What about the Ford Tri-Engine ;-}Gary WoodbridgeSenior Systems Engineer - UMI / OKC(405)601-6947Maule M7-235B - N723Mgwoodbridge(at)datatimes.com>---------->From: Jim Wright[SMTP:jgw(at)skynet.be]>Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:18 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>Come to think of it..Ed is definitly right...>>I've heard that some builders are trying to use BMW "Enginecycle" engines>in their Piets. And those outboard engines are a must for all those "Engine>Boats" out there.>>I second the motion that flying is better than word semantics any day!>>Jim Wright>jgw(at)skynet.be>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed0248 >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 8:46 PM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>Apparently ain't nobody ever heerd of a good ol' "outboard MOTOR".>>>>Seriously, folks, if it turns, runs, produces torque/horsepower/work, who>>really cares? I've only been in aviation forty years, but I haven't met>too>>many people that would rather argue about the semantics of a term than go>>flying...."A rose by any other name..." Or, for the nautical, is it a boat>or>>is it a ship?>>>>Ed W>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn fuel. Motors use external power sources. But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves. For the Canucks on the list, can you imagine ESSO's slogan as "Happy Engineing"? Is any body on the list besides me building their own engine? I hope to have my inline four 200 cu.in. aircooled engine running by the fall. I used a Ford B with a drilled crank, the cylinders sawed off of the crank case, cylinders and fins built up from stock material and Duetz aircooled heads converted from Diesel to gasoline. I'm presently working on the cam and oiling system. It is almost as much fun as building the airframe!John McNarry________________________________________________________________________________
This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn fuel. Motors use external power sources. But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves. For the Canucks on the list, can you imagine ESSO's slogan as "Happy Engineing"? Is any body on the list besides me building their own engine? I hope to have my inline four 200 cu.in. aircooled engine running by the fall. I used a Ford B with a drilled crank, the cylinders sawed off of the crank case, cylinders and fins built up from stock material and Duetz aircooled heads converted from Diesel to gasoline. I'm presently working on the cam and oiling system. It is almost as much fun as building the airframe!John McNarry________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: McNarry, John
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> Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: "Alan A. Laudani"
>>-----Original Message----->From: McNarry, John >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>agency that oversees our language.>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.>I have been told by a friend that works on rockets that some in the rocketcommunity also debate this issue. The distinction of "external powersources" doesn't seem to clear this up. Isn't oil (gas) external? Itdoesn't occur naturally in the cylinder!I looked up the terms in Webster's college dictionary:Engine: 1. A machine for converting thermal energy into mechanical energyor power to produce force and motion. 2. a railroad locomotive. 3. FIREENGINE. 4. any mechanical contrivance. 5.....Motor: 1. A comparatively small and powerful engine, esp. aninternal-combustion engine in an automobile, motorboat, or the like. 2.any self-powered vehicle. 3. something that imparts motion, esp. acontrivance, as a steam engine, that receives and modifies energy from somenatural source in order to utilize it in driving machinery. 4. a machinethat converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. 5.......It would seem that a device for converting electrical to mechanical energyshould be called a motor. But an internal combustion engine could be calledeither a motor or an engine. If it is small and powerful, such as for anairplane, then motor would be very appropriate. Maybe all those people whohave engines in their planes would get better performance if they replacedthem with motors. I am willing to make the conversions for a small fee! ;)Jim________________________________________________________________________________
>>-----Original Message----->From: McNarry, John >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>agency that oversees our language.>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.>I have been told by a friend that works on rockets that some in the rocketcommunity also debate this issue. The distinction of "external powersources" doesn't seem to clear this up. Isn't oil (gas) external? Itdoesn't occur naturally in the cylinder!I looked up the terms in Webster's college dictionary:Engine: 1. A machine for converting thermal energy into mechanical energyor power to produce force and motion. 2. a railroad locomotive. 3. FIREENGINE. 4. any mechanical contrivance. 5.....Motor: 1. A comparatively small and powerful engine, esp. aninternal-combustion engine in an automobile, motorboat, or the like. 2.any self-powered vehicle. 3. something that imparts motion, esp. acontrivance, as a steam engine, that receives and modifies energy from somenatural source in order to utilize it in driving machinery. 4. a machinethat converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. 5.......It would seem that a device for converting electrical to mechanical energyshould be called a motor. But an internal combustion engine could be calledeither a motor or an engine. If it is small and powerful, such as for anairplane, then motor would be very appropriate. Maybe all those people whohave engines in their planes would get better performance if they replacedthem with motors. I am willing to make the conversions for a small fee! ;)Jim________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: TLC62770
And then there are Search Engines, Database Engines, etc, etc, etc.Al Swanson>>>>-----Original Message----->>From: McNarry, John >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>>agency that oversees our language.>>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.>>>I have been told by a friend that works on rockets that some in the rocket>community also debate this issue. The distinction of "external power>sources" doesn't seem to clear this up. Isn't oil (gas) external? It>doesn't occur naturally in the cylinder!>>I looked up the terms in Webster's college dictionary:>>Engine: 1. A machine for converting thermal energy into mechanical energy>or power to produce force and motion. 2. a railroad locomotive. 3. FIRE>ENGINE. 4. any mechanical contrivance. 5.....>>Motor: 1. A comparatively small and powerful engine, esp. an>internal-combustion engine in an automobile, motorboat, or the like. 2.>any self-powered vehicle. 3. something that imparts motion, esp. a>contrivance, as a steam engine, that receives and modifies energy from some>natural source in order to utilize it in driving machinery. 4. a machine>that converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. 5.......>>It would seem that a device for converting electrical to mechanical energy>should be called a motor. But an internal combustion engine could be called>either a motor or an engine. If it is small and powerful, such as for an>airplane, then motor would be very appropriate. Maybe all those people who>have engines in their planes would get better performance if they replaced>them with motors. I am willing to make the conversions for a small fee!
>>Jim>>________________________________________________________________________________
And then there are Search Engines, Database Engines, etc, etc, etc.Al Swanson>>>>-----Original Message----->>From: McNarry, John >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>>agency that oversees our language.>>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.>>>I have been told by a friend that works on rockets that some in the rocket>community also debate this issue. The distinction of "external power>sources" doesn't seem to clear this up. Isn't oil (gas) external? It>doesn't occur naturally in the cylinder!>>I looked up the terms in Webster's college dictionary:>>Engine: 1. A machine for converting thermal energy into mechanical energy>or power to produce force and motion. 2. a railroad locomotive. 3. FIRE>ENGINE. 4. any mechanical contrivance. 5.....>>Motor: 1. A comparatively small and powerful engine, esp. an>internal-combustion engine in an automobile, motorboat, or the like. 2.>any self-powered vehicle. 3. something that imparts motion, esp. a>contrivance, as a steam engine, that receives and modifies energy from some>natural source in order to utilize it in driving machinery. 4. a machine>that converts electrical energy into mechanical energy. 5.......>>It would seem that a device for converting electrical to mechanical energy>should be called a motor. But an internal combustion engine could be called>either a motor or an engine. If it is small and powerful, such as for an>airplane, then motor would be very appropriate. Maybe all those people who>have engines in their planes would get better performance if they replaced>them with motors. I am willing to make the conversions for a small fee!
>>Jim>>________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
HOPE TO HAVE OURS ON WHEELS BY FALL . DID YOU READ THE NEWS ABOUT 70 PIETSFLYING IN AT OCSHCOSH NEXT YEAR ALL AT THE SAME TIME . THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOBE PARRT OF IT .________________________________________________________________________________
HOPE TO HAVE OURS ON WHEELS BY FALL . DID YOU READ THE NEWS ABOUT 70 PIETSFLYING IN AT OCSHCOSH NEXT YEAR ALL AT THE SAME TIME . THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOBE PARRT OF IT .________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.SteveeAnd it don't grind flour either :)________________________________________________________________________________
I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.SteveeAnd it don't grind flour either :)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Jim Sury
>I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.>>Stevee>>And it don't grind flour either :)Stevee- did I mention I have an A-65 powerplant/ mill in my Piet too ?________________________________________________________________________________
>I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.>>Stevee>>And it don't grind flour either :)Stevee- did I mention I have an A-65 powerplant/ mill in my Piet too ?________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
>---------->From: David[SMTP:dsiebert(at)gate.net]>Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:21 PM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>-----Original Message----->From: McNarry, John >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>agency that oversees our language.>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.Funny you should mention this. I heard this morning that a school boardin PA is enacting a no tolerance policy for "improper" English.>>________________________________________________________________________________
>---------->From: David[SMTP:dsiebert(at)gate.net]>Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:21 PM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>-----Original Message----->From: McNarry, John >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM>Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor>>>>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn>>fuel. Motors use external power sources.>>Why are sold fuel rockets called motors?>>>But really the terms have become interchangeable as the language evolves.>>Your right, heven forbide we ever do like the french and have a govermnet>agency that oversees our language.>And yes it it silly but also a little bit fun.Funny you should mention this. I heard this morning that a school boardin PA is enacting a no tolerance policy for "improper" English.>>________________________________________________________________________________
> > Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: LanhamOS
Woodbridge, Gary wrote:> > >----------> >From: David[SMTP:dsiebert(at)gate.net]> >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:21 PM> >To: Pietenpol Discussion> >Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor> >> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: McNarry, John > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM> >Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor> >> >> >>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn> >>fuel. Motors use external power sources.Does this mean we should say steam motor ? :)BTW - Ryobi makes a very nice 4 stroke weedeater type engine that wouldmake a very nice starter motor, oops starter engine. ;)Bob B.________________________________________________________________________________
Woodbridge, Gary wrote:> > >----------> >From: David[SMTP:dsiebert(at)gate.net]> >Sent: Friday, April 03, 1998 1:21 PM> >To: Pietenpol Discussion> >Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor> >> >> >-----Original Message-----> >From: McNarry, John > >To: Pietenpol Discussion > >Date: Friday, April 03, 1998 10:27 AM> >Subject: Re: weedeater startermotor> >> >> >>This Engine or Motor stuff is getting a little silly! Engines burn> >>fuel. Motors use external power sources.Does this mean we should say steam motor ? :)BTW - Ryobi makes a very nice 4 stroke weedeater type engine that wouldmake a very nice starter motor, oops starter engine. ;)Bob B.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: allaire
>I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.>>Stevee>>And it don't grind flour either
>And hopefully doesn't cut any lumber!________________________________________________________________________________
>I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.>>Stevee>>And it don't grind flour either
>And hopefully doesn't cut any lumber!________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: RE: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: LanhamOS
On Monday, April 06, 1998 8:45 PM, Jim Skinner [SMTP:innovate(at)comsource.net] wrote:> >I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.> >> >Stevee> >> >And it don't grind flour either> >> And hopefully doesn't cut any lumber!Nope, just swings it.Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
On Monday, April 06, 1998 8:45 PM, Jim Skinner [SMTP:innovate(at)comsource.net] wrote:> >I have an A-65 mill in my airplane.> >> >Stevee> >> >And it don't grind flour either
> >> And hopefully doesn't cut any lumber!Nope, just swings it.Stevee________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Ken Anderson
I guess we'd better not get into "One little, two little, three littleengines...?"________________________________________________________________________________
I guess we'd better not get into "One little, two little, three littleengines...?"________________________________________________________________________________
> weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: Brent Reed
> > Hi all> > In Kitplans magazine there was a group that put together a design tostart> there VW engines. Small weedeater engines which powered a> chain,sproket,bendix assembly to start there engines. The pull cord was> routed to the cockpit. Could this be done to a ford model A engine? Any> thoughts? I imagine the starter and bendix going where the magnetogoes,and> run the magnito off to the side with a rubber tooth belt. How much oomph> does it take to hand prop a Piet with an A engine, standard compression?> > Cheers, Steve Yahn________________________________________________________________________________
> > Hi all> > In Kitplans magazine there was a group that put together a design tostart> there VW engines. Small weedeater engines which powered a> chain,sproket,bendix assembly to start there engines. The pull cord was> routed to the cockpit. Could this be done to a ford model A engine? Any> thoughts? I imagine the starter and bendix going where the magnetogoes,and> run the magnito off to the side with a rubber tooth belt. How much oomph> does it take to hand prop a Piet with an A engine, standard compression?> > Cheers, Steve Yahn________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: weedeater startermotor
Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
I think that is a neat idea although I have no idea of the torque this systemproduces. If I remember correctly, the article said this system turns the VWat 300 RPM! I saw them in use at Gadsden, Al. a couple of years back and they areimpressive. (They also draw a crowd just starting up!) I suggest trying the Dawn Patrol Home Page. It is at -http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/They have plans for it right there. They have Email addresses there also. IfANYBODY knows how much torque these things have, those guys do. Send them anEmail and let us know how it goes!Bob SeibertRV-6 N691RVPietenpol years from flying________________________________________________________________________________
I think that is a neat idea although I have no idea of the torque this systemproduces. If I remember correctly, the article said this system turns the VWat 300 RPM! I saw them in use at Gadsden, Al. a couple of years back and they areimpressive. (They also draw a crowd just starting up!) I suggest trying the Dawn Patrol Home Page. It is at -http://www.sunflower.org/~dstarks/They have plans for it right there. They have Email addresses there also. IfANYBODY knows how much torque these things have, those guys do. Send them anEmail and let us know how it goes!Bob SeibertRV-6 N691RVPietenpol years from flying________________________________________________________________________________