Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Does anyone know what the FAR's say about legal flight in minutespast sunset for vfr flight (day)? I couldn't find it. Memory tells meit issomething wild like 45 min or 60 min past official sunset. Just curious- Thank you, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: VFR past sunset
Pietenpol-List: VFR past sunset
Original Posted By: joe czaplicki
I think that it is 30 Min. But I need to check.STevee-----Original Message-----Michael D CuySent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:43 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: VFR past sunsetDoes anyone know what the FAR's say about legal flight in minutespast sunset for vfr flight (day)? I couldn't find it. Memory tells meit issomething wild like 45 min or 60 min past official sunset. Just curious- Thank you, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
I think that it is 30 Min. But I need to check.STevee-----Original Message-----Michael D CuySent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 8:43 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: VFR past sunsetDoes anyone know what the FAR's say about legal flight in minutespast sunset for vfr flight (day)? I couldn't find it. Memory tells meit issomething wild like 45 min or 60 min past official sunset. Just curious- Thank you, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: VFR past sunset
Original Posted By: Aron(at)hrn.bradley.edu
There are 2 regs dealing with VFR night. The first is equipment requirements:91.209 Aircraft lights. No person may: (a) During the period from sunset tosunrise (or, in Alaska, during the period a prominent unlighted object cannotbe seen from a distance of 3 statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degreesbelow the horizon)- (1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted positionlights; (2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a nightflight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft - (i) Is clearlyilluminated; (ii) Has lighted position lights; or (iii) is in an area that ismarked by obstruction lights; (3) Anchor an aircraft unless the aircraft- (i)Has lighted anchor lights; or (ii) Is in an area where anchor lights are notrequired on vessels; or (b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with ananticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights.However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when thepilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would bein the interest of safety to turn the lights off.The second is recent flight experiance:61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command. (a) General experience. (1)Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as apilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraftcertificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person hasmade at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days,and-- (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of thesame category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if theaircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs andlandings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.(2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of thissection, a person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft under day VFRor day IFR, provided no persons or property are carried on board the aircraft,other than those necessary for the conduct of the flight. (3) The takeoffs andlandings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section may be accomplished in aflight simulator or flight training device that is-- (i) Approved by theAdministrator for landings; and (ii) Used in accordance with an approvedcourse conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of thischapter. (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided inparagraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of anaircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after sunsetand ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days thatperson has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stopduring the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour beforesunrise, and-- (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flightcontrols; and (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in anaircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required).(2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this section maybe accomplished in a flight simulator that is-- (i) Approved by theAdministrator for takeoffs and landings, if the visual system is adjusted torepresent the period described in paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and (ii)Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training centercertificated under part 142 of this chapter. (c) Instrument experience. Exceptas provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot incommand under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribedfor VFR, unless within the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has: (1)For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft (other thana glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated instrumentconditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft for theinstrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator or approved flighttraining device that is representative of the aircraft category for theinstrument privileges sought-- (i) At least six instrument approaches; (ii)Holding procedures; and (iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through theuse of navigation systems. (2) For the purpose of obtaining instrumentexperience in a glider, performed and logged under actual or simulatedinstrument conditions-- (i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, ofwhich 1= hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers areto be carried; or (ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if apassenger is to be carried. (d) Instrument proficiency check. Except asprovided in paragraph (e)of this section, a person who does not meet theinstrument experience requirements of paragraph (c) of this section within theprescribed time, or within 6 calendar months after the prescribed time, maynot serve as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than theminimums prescribed for VFR until that person passes an instrument proficiencycheck consisting of a representative number of tasks required by theinstrument rating practical test. (1) The instrument proficiency check mustbe-- (i) In an aircraft that is appropriate to the aircraft category; (ii) Forother than a glider, in a flight simulator or flight training device that isrepresentative of the aircraft category; or (iii) For a glider, in asingle-engine airplane or a glider. (2) The instrument proficiency check mustbe given by-- (i) An examiner; (ii) A person authorized by the U.S. ArmedForces to conduct instrument flight tests, provided the person being tested isa member of the U.S. Armed Forces; (iii) A company check pilot who isauthorized to conduct instrument flight tests under part 121, 125, or 135 ofthis chapter, and provided that both the check pilot and the pilot beingtested are employees of that operator; (iv) An authorized instructor; or (v) Aperson approved by the Administrator to conduct instrument practical tests.(e) Exceptions. (1) Paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section do not apply to apilot in command who is employed by a certificate holder under part 125 andengaged in a flight operation for that certificate holder if the pilot is incompliance with Secs. 125.281 and 125.285 of this chapter. (2) This sectiondoes not apply to a pilot in command who is employed by an air carriercertificated under part 121 or 135 and is engaged in a flight operation underpart 91, 121, or 135 for that air carrier if the pilot is in compliance withSecs. 121.437 and 121.439, or Secs. 135.243 and 135.247 of this chapter, asappropriate.It boils down to the fact that you need position lights and anti collisionlights from sunset to sunrise but can only log night time from 1 hour aftersunset to 1 hour before sunrise.Michael D Cuy wrote:> Does anyone know what the FAR's say about legal flight in minutes> past sunset for vfr flight (day)? I couldn't find it. Memory tells me> it is> something wild like 45 min or 60 min past official sunset.> Just curious- Thank you, Mike C.--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
There are 2 regs dealing with VFR night. The first is equipment requirements:91.209 Aircraft lights. No person may: (a) During the period from sunset tosunrise (or, in Alaska, during the period a prominent unlighted object cannotbe seen from a distance of 3 statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degreesbelow the horizon)- (1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted positionlights; (2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a nightflight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft - (i) Is clearlyilluminated; (ii) Has lighted position lights; or (iii) is in an area that ismarked by obstruction lights; (3) Anchor an aircraft unless the aircraft- (i)Has lighted anchor lights; or (ii) Is in an area where anchor lights are notrequired on vessels; or (b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with ananticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights.However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when thepilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would bein the interest of safety to turn the lights off.The second is recent flight experiance:61.57 Recent flight experience: Pilot in command. (a) General experience. (1)Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as apilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraftcertificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person hasmade at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days,and-- (i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of thesame category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if theaircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs andlandings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel.(2) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a)(1) of thissection, a person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft under day VFRor day IFR, provided no persons or property are carried on board the aircraft,other than those necessary for the conduct of the flight. (3) The takeoffs andlandings required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section may be accomplished in aflight simulator or flight training device that is-- (i) Approved by theAdministrator for landings; and (ii) Used in accordance with an approvedcourse conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of thischapter. (b) Night takeoff and landing experience. (1) Except as provided inparagraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of anaircraft carrying passengers during the period beginning 1 hour after sunsetand ending 1 hour before sunrise, unless within the preceding 90 days thatperson has made at least three takeoffs and three landings to a full stopduring the period beginning 1 hour after sunset and ending 1 hour beforesunrise, and-- (i) That person acted as sole manipulator of the flightcontrols; and (ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in anaircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required).(2) The takeoffs and landings required by paragraph (b)(1) of this section maybe accomplished in a flight simulator that is-- (i) Approved by theAdministrator for takeoffs and landings, if the visual system is adjusted torepresent the period described in paragraph (b)(1) of this section; and (ii)Used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training centercertificated under part 142 of this chapter. (c) Instrument experience. Exceptas provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as pilot incommand under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums prescribedfor VFR, unless within the preceding 6 calendar months, that person has: (1)For the purpose of obtaining instrument experience in an aircraft (other thana glider), performed and logged under actual or simulated instrumentconditions, either in flight in the appropriate category of aircraft for theinstrument privileges sought or in a flight simulator or approved flighttraining device that is representative of the aircraft category for theinstrument privileges sought-- (i) At least six instrument approaches; (ii)Holding procedures; and (iii) Intercepting and tracking courses through theuse of navigation systems. (2) For the purpose of obtaining instrumentexperience in a glider, performed and logged under actual or simulatedinstrument conditions-- (i) At least 3 hours of instrument time in flight, ofwhich 1= hours may be acquired in an airplane or a glider if no passengers areto be carried; or (ii) 3 hours of instrument time in flight in a glider if apassenger is to be carried. (d) Instrument proficiency check. Except asprovided in paragraph (e)of this section, a person who does not meet theinstrument experience requirements of paragraph (c) of this section within theprescribed time, or within 6 calendar months after the prescribed time, maynot serve as pilot in command under IFR or in weather conditions less than theminimums prescribed for VFR until that person passes an instrument proficiencycheck consisting of a representative number of tasks required by theinstrument rating practical test. (1) The instrument proficiency check mustbe-- (i) In an aircraft that is appropriate to the aircraft category; (ii) Forother than a glider, in a flight simulator or flight training device that isrepresentative of the aircraft category; or (iii) For a glider, in asingle-engine airplane or a glider. (2) The instrument proficiency check mustbe given by-- (i) An examiner; (ii) A person authorized by the U.S. ArmedForces to conduct instrument flight tests, provided the person being tested isa member of the U.S. Armed Forces; (iii) A company check pilot who isauthorized to conduct instrument flight tests under part 121, 125, or 135 ofthis chapter, and provided that both the check pilot and the pilot beingtested are employees of that operator; (iv) An authorized instructor; or (v) Aperson approved by the Administrator to conduct instrument practical tests.(e) Exceptions. (1) Paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section do not apply to apilot in command who is employed by a certificate holder under part 125 andengaged in a flight operation for that certificate holder if the pilot is incompliance with Secs. 125.281 and 125.285 of this chapter. (2) This sectiondoes not apply to a pilot in command who is employed by an air carriercertificated under part 121 or 135 and is engaged in a flight operation underpart 91, 121, or 135 for that air carrier if the pilot is in compliance withSecs. 121.437 and 121.439, or Secs. 135.243 and 135.247 of this chapter, asappropriate.It boils down to the fact that you need position lights and anti collisionlights from sunset to sunrise but can only log night time from 1 hour aftersunset to 1 hour before sunrise.Michael D Cuy wrote:> Does anyone know what the FAR's say about legal flight in minutes> past sunset for vfr flight (day)? I couldn't find it. Memory tells me> it is> something wild like 45 min or 60 min past official sunset.> Just curious- Thank you, Mike C.--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________