Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
What is the suggested max gross on an Air Camper? http://www.pietenpol.com/plans.htm lists empty weight as 630 and useful load as 385 lb. It alsolists fuel capacity as 10-18 gallons. I am assumingthat useful load is what you have when you are donefilling the tanks.I am still shopping for what to build. It is nowdown to the Pietenpol, a few Fisher designs, andthe Zenith 601 HDS (I can be a tin knocker). I amguessing that the 630 lbs comes from a model A engineand that a Subaru would be a lot lighter. What is arealistic empty weight with a corvair or soob engine?The reason that I ask is that I weigh about 240 and havesons that I would like to fly with. They are samll nowbut it would be nice to take them up with me when I getdone building.DaveRetsof, NY________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Gross weight
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel>weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh>less than 385 pounds in this case.>>>>What is the suggested max gross on an Air Camper?>>http://www.pietenpol.com/plans.htm lists empty>>weight as 630 and useful load as 385 lb. It also>>lists fuel capacity as 10-18 gallons. I am assuming>>that useful load is what you have when you are done>>filling the tanks.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel>weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh>less than 385 pounds in this case.>>>>What is the suggested max gross on an Air Camper?>>http://www.pietenpol.com/plans.htm lists empty>>weight as 630 and useful load as 385 lb. It also>>lists fuel capacity as 10-18 gallons. I am assuming>>that useful load is what you have when you are done>>filling the tanks.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh less than 385 pounds in this case.>What is the suggested max gross on an Air Camper? >http://www.pietenpol.com/plans.htm lists empty >weight as 630 and useful load as 385 lb. It also>lists fuel capacity as 10-18 gallons. I am assuming>that useful load is what you have when you are done>filling the tanks.________________________________________________________________________________
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh less than 385 pounds in this case.>What is the suggested max gross on an Air Camper? >http://www.pietenpol.com/plans.htm lists empty >weight as 630 and useful load as 385 lb. It also>lists fuel capacity as 10-18 gallons. I am assuming>that useful load is what you have when you are done>filling the tanks.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: RdwdSgn(at)aol.com
>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel >weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh >less than 385 pounds in this case.>>Dean,I was being an optomist. 385 sounds like lawyer speak to me butthen I only have 6 hours toward my ticket. I guess that if youare little then the 280 or so after gas allows a passenger thatis larger than a toddler and maybe a pack of pampers
.Dave________________________________________________________________________________
>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel >weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh >less than 385 pounds in this case.>>Dean,I was being an optomist. 385 sounds like lawyer speak to me butthen I only have 6 hours toward my ticket. I guess that if youare little then the 280 or so after gas allows a passenger thatis larger than a toddler and maybe a pack of pampers
.Dave________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Dave,Useful load is normally Max Take-Off Weight less empty weight. Empty weight normallyincludes oil in the engine and unusable fuel in tanks.That will give you a few extra lbs to play with.Take heart from the fact that about every bomber that lifted from the runway duringWWII was overloaded and many of us do the same today when starting on a cross-country- just don't throw the aircraft around until you get some of thatfuel used up.Alternatively you can do as I did and get 20 lbs off your own weight. It does wondersfor the rate of climb! Can't get a better incentive than that.Regards,LeoOn Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:24:32 Dave and Connie wrote:>>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel >>weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh >>less than 385 pounds in this case.>>>>>Dean,>>I was being an optomist. 385 sounds like lawyer speak to me but>then I only have 6 hours toward my ticket. I guess that if you>are little then the 280 or so after gas allows a passenger that>is larger than a toddler and maybe a pack of pampers.>>Dave>>-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-----http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums________________________________________________________________________________
Dave,Useful load is normally Max Take-Off Weight less empty weight. Empty weight normallyincludes oil in the engine and unusable fuel in tanks.That will give you a few extra lbs to play with.Take heart from the fact that about every bomber that lifted from the runway duringWWII was overloaded and many of us do the same today when starting on a cross-country- just don't throw the aircraft around until you get some of thatfuel used up.Alternatively you can do as I did and get 20 lbs off your own weight. It does wondersfor the rate of climb! Can't get a better incentive than that.Regards,LeoOn Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:24:32 Dave and Connie wrote:>>Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. But doesn't useful load include fuel >>weight. So pilot, passengers, baggage;-) and fuel would have to weigh >>less than 385 pounds in this case.>>>>>Dean,>>I was being an optomist. 385 sounds like lawyer speak to me but>then I only have 6 hours toward my ticket. I guess that if you>are little then the 280 or so after gas allows a passenger that>is larger than a toddler and maybe a pack of pampers
.>>Dave>>-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-----http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: Ian Holland
At 1160 lbs. loaded my 65 hp Piet lifts off from a 2,500 ft. strip andclimbs decently on a 80 F day. Field elev: 850 msl.That's two fat guys, full fuel and oil. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
At 1160 lbs. loaded my 65 hp Piet lifts off from a 2,500 ft. strip andclimbs decently on a 80 F day. Field elev: 850 msl.That's two fat guys, full fuel and oil. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Gross weight
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Useful weight definitly includes "useable" fuel. It can also include theweight of engine oil.-----Original Message-----
Useful weight definitly includes "useable" fuel. It can also include theweight of engine oil.-----Original Message-----